re: My Official Elite Program Rankings

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And the #1 reason not to go back to 1936 is simply due to the fact that there was no national poll conducted back them. How do you find the 25 best teams from 1920 when there was no rating system to figure that out?

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Arkansas went undefeated in 1909 and beat some very good teams. They were crowned "Champions of the South".

Great. A wonderful season for the Hogs! But where would that fall in an actual ranking?

Like you said, we have to have a cut off point. Otherwise we have Princeton and Yale pissing on Alabama and Notre Dame when it comes to total titles.

I bow to you Kyle. Perfect system and formula you came up with. Kudos sir!

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Garbage.

So conference titles aren't counted?

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Do you want to count a MAC Championship the same as an SEC Championship?

Do you think it's fair that Florida State would get credit for 11 ACC Titles in a 12-year period from 1992-2003 when they had almost zero in-conference competition?

If you can make the conferences exactly equal in strength, then we can start counting conference titles. But until then, that's a terrible way to compare programs.

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UT hasn't been relevant in 20 years and still ranks ahead of UGA?

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Hate to say it, but Tennessee has a National Title 18 year's more recent than our last one. They also have a second major poll title from the 1950s which we do not have (No 1942 was not a major poll title).

They have an extra Title and one of those was more recent than our last. They also have 44 AP Top 25 finishes to our 38..... They have 14 AP Top 5 finishes compared to our 11.

The fact that we've had more recent success than them makes it very close.... in fact, we're probably one year away... two max... from passing the Vols all-time.

But there is a reason they are still slightly ahead and that's because quite frankly they've had more past success. It really is pretty simple.

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Never base rankings on eye candy polls, many math systems are better even in the 30s over polls. Not all of them as one was totally based on scoring only.

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Okay. So like SP+, which many people swear by.

That system has Ohio State and Alabama as the two best teams of 2019. Should I just take away LSU's title they just won this season because SP+ says Ohio State and Alabama were the two best teams?

Again, no thanks. The Final AP Poll makes far more sense than that.

Awesome work Kyle.

I assume you could utilize your formula to create a rating from say 1998 - present, which would only include the BCS era and the CFP era?

I believe that would give a clearer picture of “current” elite program status.

Use your system for 1950 and later

Many players that played as late as the 1960s would get their azzes handed to them playing AAAAAAA HS FB in the Metro Atl Area, my point is that the game and the players have changed so much it's likely better to use 1950 as a starting point for any fair analysis of CFB

Nebraska was really bad in the 1941-1961 period. It’s not just the present day.

And their good days before the 40s mostly don’t count in this, since the polls started in 1936.

Thanks Kyle. I think that list looks much more representative of what most people would consider “elite” programs in the modern era of college football. I see it puts Michigan and Notre Dame more in their proper place on the list.

Holy balls, this is some solid work.