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re: Muschamp to Texas?

Posted on 10/14/13 at 8:06 am to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 10/14/13 at 8:06 am to
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A Texas/Texas A&M bowl game would be glorious to watch.


drools a little
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
46785 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 8:11 am to
I am sure Texas and many others will come calling. He has done a great job this season keeping the team together with all the injuries we have had. Georgia gets all the press coverage, but we have been decimated also, and probably worse.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8796 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 8:33 am to
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I doubt Strong will go to Texas with his interracial marriage.

Doesn't to me, to to the people in power( and let's face it, some fans as well) it does.



What is Kevin Sumlin's wife? I'm really not sure, but if it works for A&M, I don't know why it wouldn't for Texas.





You don't understand the difference between the schools then. Texas still has a race problem, they still have black people getting bleach balloons thrown at them there. They fought integration at every step and most of their old alumni come from big money where they never dealt with black people. Here is the experience of one of their most prominent Physics grads Neil DeGrasse Tyson Texas has never had a black coach in ANY male sport. They finally hired their first black coach in a female sport with Bev Kearney and she is currently suing the school because she was fired and given unequal treatment to how the same issue was handled with white coaches.

A&M isn't free of racism but it has never been a fraction of the problem it is at Texas. A lot of that is A&M has a strong military tradition and most of the older alums are self made men who didn't come from money. The mantra has always been it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from but what you do now. A&M elected its first black Student Body President in 1976 and has had others since then. By the time Texas had their first black football player in 1970 A&M already had been integrated for 3 years and had many black football players. A&M integrated the year after it was made legal in Texas without fanfare, it was a blip compared to when we allowed in women. That's not to say there aren't some moron racists at A&M, I'm sure there are, they just are a small minority with no power.

Posted by austingator
austin
Member since Jan 2009
7442 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:08 am to
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You don't understand the difference between the schools then. Texas still has a race problem, they still have black people getting bleach balloons thrown at them there.


This is BS. I've lived in NO, Gainesville and Birmingham, and Austin is the least racist place of all.

For you to claim that the problem is worse in Austin than in College Station is ridiculous.
Posted by birddogman
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2012
43 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:29 am to
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This is BS. I've lived in NO, Gainesville and Birmingham, and Austin is the least racist place of all.

For you to claim that the problem is worse in Austin than in College Station is ridiculous.


This... aggies are also working on linking Hitler to UT
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34685 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:29 am to
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What do you know about Texas, do you live here? Do you hang out with old oil men?



I know a lot about Texas. I have lived in Denton, Midland, College Station, Houston, and currently Austin.

I also know VERY well about old oil men, as I am in the oil industry. Plus thanks to family connections I know a few Texas and A&M big donors (like have suite-level season tickets) who have lots of oil money.

I am very close to this group, and deep down they are often very racist. Not the blatant "burn a cross on their lawn" Mississippi racist, but a "you will NEVER marry my daughter or run my company, and I will gerrymander like crazy to marginalize your voice" Texan brand of racist.

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This is BS. I've lived in NO, Gainesville and Birmingham, and Austin is the least racist place of all.

For you to claim that the problem is worse in Austin than in College Station is ridiculous.


You are mixing things. Austin as a city is very open, very liberal, very accepting. But Austin does not equal the University of Texas.

Many students at Texas ARE very much like your typical Austinite, often times to the extreme where they act like Berkeley students. That is probably where your perception is based.

But many, especially in the frats, come from conservative Houston and Dallas suburbs. In the middle of the liberal utopia their own views often become more extremist to compensate, and from that comes terrible acts of racism.

Meanwhile A&M's culture is rooted deep in the military. The military was far ahead of the curve than society for integration, and the "one for all" feel of the military helps those in those culture have a high respect for their peers. Finally A&M is very close to Houston (the culturally urban large city in Texas) and Bryan.

If you don't believe me I will bust out my sources if you want.

EDIT: One last important point I forgot- when they graduate it is those rich frat boys that become the big boosters that run the football program, not the smelly hippy liberal arts grads without a dime to their name. Hence why Texas plays country songs at games instead of Bob Marley.
This post was edited on 10/14/13 at 9:33 am
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8796 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:50 am to
I live in Austin as well and it is a very progressive and open city, probably more than any in Texas. I went to ACL last weekend and it is basically a modern day Woodstock. That has nothing to do with the folks that run Texas or what some of their students are like. Lots of hippies and the like but they don't run anything, it's the rich kids and old money that run things. Always has been.

The evidence is very strong. What other school in the US has had bleach bombs thrown at black students this semester and last year as well? What other school has NEVER hired a black coach for ANY male sport? I don't know that they have ever even interviewed a black coach.

Not saying A&M is a model of diversity but there is very, very little negative history of race relations at A&M especially for a large public school from a former segregated state. It's always been about the best person for the job here and that harkens to our military tradition.
Posted by Tennessee Jed
Mr. SEC Rant
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:51 am to
Haven't read through the thread, but I'd just like to pop in and say that Texas could do MUCH better than Muschamp.

If I were the UT AD, I'd start with Briles and Sumlim and go from there.
Posted by cjared036
Houston, tx
Member since Dec 2009
9569 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:07 am to
Thread went from Muschamp to Texas to UT hides its racism within the liberal bastion that is Austin.

Just another day on the SEC Rant....
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34685 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:09 am to
What the hell, I am bored and you won't believe me without sources. Plus I am tired of Texas-sympathizers stating this kind of crap on tRANT. So here we go:

To start with, their cherished song- the Eyes of Texas - has a racist origin:

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T.J. Finley, who graduated from UT with a bachelor's degree in kinesiology in the spring, stopped singing UT's iconic alma mater completely after being told that the song was first performed by students wearing blackface makeup in a turn-of-the-century minstrel show.


Texas never lost touch with this racism, as even in the hippy 60's they responded violently to racial equality:

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Toni Luckett has devised the consummate plan to combat the UT administration's reluctance for change, "By any means necessary." Her job she said ultimately, "is to facilitate change on this campus." Probably the only Students' Association President ever to receive death threats, Luckett's 1960's idealism ignites a renewed sense of activism throughout the campus.


"BUT BUT BUT, THAT IS ANCIENT HISTORY!!!" you will say. Too bad Texas stays in touch with that history in the modern age.

I could point to the constant defacing of their MLK statue:

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A statue of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on the University of Texas campus in Austin was defaced for the second time in 19 months.


Or the incredibly racist frats parties (again these are the people who run the football program):

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A UT Austin fraternity is planning to have a “Cholo/Ghetto Mexican” Rush Event where participants are to dress up and act as “Cholos” or “Ghetto Mexicans.”

This will be the second racist party hosted by a UT fraternity in a year!!! Last year, UT made national headlines when UT Law students hosted a “Ghetto Fabulous” party where participants were to dress in black-face. It is apparent that race relations are an issue on the UT Austin campus and that UT administration has failed to address the issue of tolerance and race relations.


And I am talking REALLY racist parties, down to blackface:

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White students at the University of Texas at Austin in September also dressed up in Blackface, carried 40-ounce bottles of malt liquor, wore Afro wigs and huge necklaces and name tags with stereotypically Black and Hispanic names.


The racism has even has tainted their team in recent times:

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According to NowPublic.com, when Buck Burnette, a back-up center for the University of Texas football team, realized that Barack Obama would win the 2008 election, he posted this update on his Facebook page:

“All the hunters gather up, we have a N$%&er in the White House.”




As well as student body leaders:



She was the UT College Republicans President as recently as 2011!

And she perfectly represents the kind of oil-money attitudes that actually run the Texas athletic program.
Posted by birddogman
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2012
43 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:10 am to
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The evidence is very strong. What other school in the US has had bleach bombs thrown at black students this semester



They weren't just thrown at black student. There are literally people launching water balloons at all sorts of people in west campus everyday and people fill them with bleach or or coolaid and all sorts of stupid stuff.

Havent seen anything blown out of proportion like this since Rick Perrys ranch
Posted by birddogman
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2012
43 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:14 am to
this happens everywhere

Lest we forget the video of the Aggie dressed as a slave owner whipping a another student painted black with a 12th man towel

LINK
Posted by FrankWhite'56
Close to Austin - but not TOO close
Member since Feb 2013
984 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:16 am to
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I know you were BSing, but he seriously may have saved his job with that win.



No BS. That win sits big with boosters and recruits . You know, the only two types of people that count in college football...

...well, maybe TV execs, too. Three types.
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
35717 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:17 am to
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Do you think the NFL teams threw an ungodly about of money at him? I bet they did



No, No they didn't he hasn't been close to successful in the NFL. College is his game and college is where he will stay.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34685 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:19 am to
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Lest we forget the video of the Aggie dressed as a slave owner whipping a another student painted black with a 12th man towel


The difference between the two is shown in your link:

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Current university president Robert Gates, recently named by President Bush as Donald Rumsfeld's replacement as Secretary of Defense, wrote "An Open Letter to the Aggie Family" on Nov. 7.

In it, he said that the video "is not simply an example of poor judgment and insensitivity" but that "it appears to have been purposefully produced to insult and demean."

Gates called the video "inexcusable," "moronic," and "offensive on many levels."


Something really racist at A&M happens, and the president writes a open letter apologizing. Plus the students were later expelled.

Meanwhile Texas frats crank out racist parties year after year and and Bill Powers doesn't do a damn thing about it. Why? Because those racists' parents run Texas.
Posted by cjared036
Houston, tx
Member since Dec 2009
9569 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:27 am to
I know a lot of Texas fans/alumni and the vast majority are pretty good people.

But it would not surprise me if there was any institutional racism at UT. Especially with old alumni getting involved.

It happens at Alabama too. This past year a black girl went through sorority rush. She had a 4.2 HS GPA, father is on the board of trustees at Alabama, from all accounts is a very nice and classy young lady. Students in Alabama sororities wanted her to join but old alumni blocked her ability to get a bid.

If she was white she would have gotten a bid from a sorority of her choice.

Another reason why these baby boomers are the worst human beings ever. Haha
This post was edited on 10/14/13 at 10:29 am
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34685 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:28 am to
And those same parent/grandparents won't tolerate a Charlie Strong. MAYBE a Shaw (just because we did it and they don't want to fall behind), but Strong with his white wife? No way.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:32 am to
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Haven't read through the thread, but I'd just like to pop in and say that Texas could do MUCH better than Muschamp.


Who?


Oh, right, this thread is about that former Texas DC. Ancient history, dude. Now we're talking about whether Austin is filled with filthy hippies and whether oil men hate Neil deGrasse Tyson. It's all very important.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34685 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:42 am to


Posted by FrankWhite'56
Close to Austin - but not TOO close
Member since Feb 2013
984 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:54 am to
My favorite part of this crappy thread is how anyone thinks the politics of their school system (which is really a complex mix of the board of regents, the state legislature and major donors) is in any way different than any other state school -- including U of Texas.

They're all exactly the fricking same. In the SEC, business at A&M (largest endowment, largest state population) is conducted precisely the same way as it is at Mississippi State (smallest endowment) or Arkansas (smallest state population). Same power brokers, same influence, same permeation of racism, elitism -- whatever it takes to remain in power.

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