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re: Most likely non big 6 team to win a conference title?

Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:33 pm to
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:33 pm to
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Darren McFadden and friends (with special guest appearences by Felix Jones and Mitch fricking Mustain) were not better than your 2011 squad.



That was a more talented team, NFL talent on offense and defense.

Worse coaching.

The 1998 team was stacked with NFL talent on both sides of the ball.

The 2011 squad had NFL talent on offense and better coaching.

1998 and 2006 were more complete teams, the 2006 team was ranked just as high as the 2011 team and had a Heisman runner-up on it, but when you lose the bowl game you tend to drop down in the final rankings.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:34 pm to
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It will take years before you even make it to the sec championship game. Simply making the game is hard.



It took Carolina 20 years, a team aggy fans are saying their program is comparable too in this thread...

It took Arkansas 3 years.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:35 pm to
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The 2006 team was a better team than 2010 or 2011, the coaching was better in 2010 and 2011


The statistics do not support this. Neither do the records, final rankings and total draft prospects.

For all the talk of Manziel being all we have, 2006 Arkansas was as much a one man show as any in recent memory.

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the 1998 team was probably better than all four of them.


That team played three programs that finished ranked all season and lost to all three.
Posted by skrangeo
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:35 pm to
is this where arky fans go into denial about aTm's newly increased recruiting footprint, and how aTm's move to the SEC won't affect arky's recruiting?

lulz


it's a new era, boys
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:35 pm to
I see some similarity between the 2011 Arkansas season and the 2013 ATM season.

Don't get me wrong, you'd beat most teams in the nation. But you'll be third in the west,

Eta meant to reply to and aggie
This post was edited on 8/26/13 at 3:36 pm
Posted by GumpMaster&Commander
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:37 pm to
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I see some similarity between the 2011 Arkansas season and the 2013 ATM season.

Don't get me wrong, you'd beat most teams in the nation. But you'll be third in the west,

Eta meant to reply to and aggie


please, we are elite now. we will beat the gumps and the corndogs. you can't compete with top shelf texas talent.
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:37 pm to
You're definitely recruiting much better. But you just quadrupled the other teams' access into Texas too.

Especially LSU.
Posted by redeye
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:37 pm to
Last year's USC team was the first one that wasn't overrated since Holtz arrived in Columbia. Still, USC is getting there and I could see them winning the SEC one day soon.

A&M may look the best on paper, but the game isn't played on paper. It's interesting listening to SEC fans tout A&M's tool chest, when it's never helped them much in the past. A&M couldn't win big in the Big-XII, but now they're going to in the SEC? Maybe, but it would be a change from the past.

My choice is Arkansas, of course, because it's the most committed. Most of the comments I read seem to dwell on the idea of a team winning the SEC once, but does that make them worthy of big 6 membership? Even if they don't win another for 50 years?

And it'll be the big 7, just as Florida made the big 6. I don't see why anyone has to fall out for another team to be added.
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:38 pm to
Exactly. LSU gets all of the best east Texas talent.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:38 pm to
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The statistics do not support this. Neither do the records, final rankings and total draft prospects.



Well, frick. I didn't use statistics to back up my claims, I explained the difference in final rankings and records, I even explained my reasoning.

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For all the talk of Manziel being all we have, 2006 Arkansas was as much a one man show as any in recent memory.



No.

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That team played three programs that finished ranked all season and lost to all three.



K. I'm sure you are too young to remember that team and where they were before the Sturnover happened.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:39 pm to
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It will take years before you even make it to the sec championship game. Simply making the game is hard.


And like I said, you can pick out at least at least four or five individual plays that, if even one goes our way, we make the SEC title game in our first season.

This season we have a (seemingly) easier schedule, more overall (albeit young) talent due to our recent bump in recruiting and an offense that history shows improves significantly from year one to year two when the QB is constant. Not saying we'll win the west this year, but as close as we came last year you'll have to forgive us for not seeing it as this impossible hill to climb.
Posted by redeye
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:39 pm to
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is this where arky fans go into denial about aTm's newly increased recruiting footprint, and how aTm's move to the SEC won't affect arky's recruiting?


You mean how A&M's move to the SEC helps Arkansas recruiting in Texas?
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:41 pm to
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You mean how A&M's move to the SEC helps Arkansas recruiting in Texas?



Shh. They think Texas was vital for Arkansas in the past, he is too young to know how Arkansas was cut-off by many Texas HS coaches when we left the SWC killing that conference.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:42 pm to
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But you just quadrupled the other teams' access into Texas too.




Much easier to keep Texas recruits from going to LSU or Bama than it is Texas. Now that that program is under our recruiting thumb so to speak, I'll take our chances with SEC teams.

Leaving the state is a big issue for a lot of kids, and giving them an SEC option at home is huge. Anybody that was going to go to other SEC teams from Texas was going to do so whether we were in the SEC or not.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:44 pm to
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Much easier to keep Texas recruits from going to LSU or Bama than it is Texas. Now that that program is under our recruiting thumb so to speak, I'll take our chances with SEC teams.



Just how hard was it for aggy to keep Texas kids from going to OU?...
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:45 pm to
I was 12, I remember it well enough. Even if I didn't though, it's not hard to look up your 1998 schedule.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:46 pm to
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Just how hard was it for aggy to keep Texas kids from going to OU?...


Since 2010, not very. We've dominated them for Texas kids over the past three cycles. We were something like 12-2 against them head to head in 2013.
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:46 pm to
Fair enough. I'll be happy with getting the top defensive talent out of the area.


Seriously, we're hearing that hunter is as good as his hs coach thought. Guess I'm happy about him and Ed Paris. And bealoved of course.
This post was edited on 8/26/13 at 3:49 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42854 posts
Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:48 pm to
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I was 12, I remember it well enough. Even if I didn't though, it's not hard to look up your 1998 schedule.



Results do not tell the tale of how the games played out or how good the team was during the games compared to other teams that year.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42854 posts
Posted on 8/26/13 at 3:49 pm to
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Since 2010, not very. We've dominated them for Texas kids over the past three cycles. We were something like 12-2 against them head to head in 2013.



What the hell does head to head have to do with it?

I asked how aggy was doing cutting off the pipeline for Texas recruits to OU.
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