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re: Mizzou fans, do you consider your Kansas rivalry as worse than Bama/Auburn
Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:17 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:17 pm to hawgfaninc
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n synopsis i guess:
mizzou/ku = blood feud
bama/aubie = sports feud
Good synopsis. I'd agree with ATX - the Bama/Auburn football rivalry is better, and the Mizzou/kU basketball rivalry is better. For sports excitement, I'd give Bama/Auburn the win. But for historically significant conflict, sheer bitterness that dates back before the Civil War - pure, deep hate - I've never seen anything like Missouri/kansas.
Not everyone is this way, but for people in both states who have been there for generations? It's pervasive.
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Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:18 pm to KCM0Tiger
my post was me joking around on the first part...but I was serious about the rest...I know you guys have some good people and fans. SOME is the keyword 
Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:22 pm to thatdude1985
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so because y'all are inbred retards, meth addicts and do stupid shite like that, fact..just because guns are involved doesn't give you street cred or some sort bump up because you guys are shooting guns at each other.
This doesn't even make sense. We don't shoot at each other anymore - at least not often.
It's not about street cred. The two situations are different.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:26 pm to semotruman
Yeah I said above that I was joking about the some of it.....just messing around is all folks, dudefish out. MAN I'M COOL
Posted on 2/22/13 at 5:59 pm to semotruman
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Not better or worse, just different. Based on different things. Bama/Auburn is a great rivalry based on sports. Mizzou/kU is based on generations of hate and grudges that stemmed from the civil war and over time just festered. They burned the town of Oceola, MO to the ground after killing and raping people and stealing everything they could carry back to Lawrence. Missourians then burned Lawrence to the ground after killing every man they could find there. It was ugly and brutal, and spawned generations of people who hate each other to this day. Sports is where it manifests today, but it's basically a 160 year old blood feud.
Now you understand why most in the South hate Yankee's. Our whole region was burned to the ground. The town where I'm from was burned to the ground less than 2 weeks before the war was over. One relative hung and another died by the butt of a gun to the head trying to defend his home from silver thieves. I did some research and found out that a posse from Missouri tried to help defend the town from Gen. Wilson and his raiders, at the same time a regiment from Missouri was also doing the attacking. I get the KU/MU rivalry. I still hate to this day the states of Iowa, Illinois and Indiana and whatever part of Missouri those attackers came from.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 6:32 pm to 14caratgoldjones
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Now you understand why most in the South hate Yankee's.
From what I've read, the majority of Missouri were Confederates or southern sympathizers. Like many states, there were splits in loyalties, but the majority of the state considered itself southern. A lot of the "yankee" troops from Missouri came from immigrants in the St. Louis area - Germans, Irish, etc. It wasn't their fight, but they were poor and the Union Army paid its soldiers.
Wealthy abolitionist groups in New York paid people who shared their beliefs to settle in Iowa and Kansas so that those would be free states. That set up a lot of the conflict between Missouri and Kansas. And to this day, Kansans call us "slavers" as an insult - it always came out during sporting competitions. The history of it is really interesting. But the synopsis was right - Bama/Auburn is the better sports rivalry. Missouri/kansas is more of a blood feud that played itself out in sports.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 6:51 pm to RIPZOU
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Mizzou-Kansas is really a basketball rivalry. The Basketball games rivals Duke-UNC, Lville-UK as best in the country. If you're talking about football, it's heated but not quite as intense as bball. Mostly b/c Kansas normally sucks. Arrowhead Armaggedon in 2007 was huge exception though. Game of the Year in College Football.
You serious Clark?? Bahahahahah...riiiiiiiiiight!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Posted on 2/22/13 at 7:17 pm to woodhog14
We're sorry no one cares about you enough to be your rival
Posted on 2/22/13 at 7:18 pm to thatdude1985
We're inbred retards, but you can't form a sentence. K
Posted on 2/22/13 at 7:54 pm to hawgfaninc
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Mizzou vs Kansas seems to be just a border altercation between two mediocre big 12 teams. Where as bama vs auburn is an instate war, brother vs brother if you will. And fought for higher standing in the best conference in America.
What say the mizzou faithful?
Their hatred started before some silly lil college sports. So yes it's bigger. It started from real hatred, not some college or sports hate. Then KU had the nerves to use the nickname "Jayhawkers".
How did the Auburn vs Bama rivalry start out? Why do they hate each other? Is it because of sports?? Location in the state, etc??
ETA: Missouri politicians even blocked KU from getting specialty plates in Missouri because of KU wanting to end the football/basketball series. Talk about hate
Now no out of state schools can have plates, thanks KU for applying and fricking it up. Yes even the HOG plates are gone.
This post was edited on 2/22/13 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 2/22/13 at 8:06 pm to bayou2003
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Then KU had the nerves to use the nickname "Jayhawkers".
I think a lot of the SEC doesn't realize that Jayhawks/Jayhawkers were irregular yankee/kansas troops that were basically terrorists. They looted Missouri homes, burned crops and farms, raped women and stole anything they could carry back to kansas. They were nothing but criminals, operating with the blessing of the Union army - who turned a blind eye to their activities because their victims lived in Missouri. This went on several years before the Civil War, during the war, and some after. When Missouri raiders burned Lawrence, they found warehouses full of stuff that had been stolen from Missouri.
When the University of kansas picked that as their mascot, it was salt on a wound that too many people still remembered. It's kind of sad to me that so many SEC fans call Missourians "yankees" and have no idea how violent our pro-confederate history really is.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 8:12 pm to semotruman
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When the University of kansas picked that as their mascot, it was salt on a wound that too many people still remembered. It's kind of sad to me that so many SEC fans call Missourians "yankees" and have no idea how violent our pro-confederate history really is.
The rant is oblivious to facts and logic. That's why I just have up and went with the whole "Yankees" BS despite the fact that I come from a Confederate lineage in the KC area. It's all part of the Rant's little game
This post was edited on 2/22/13 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 2/22/13 at 8:20 pm to semotruman
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I think a lot of the SEC doesn't realize that Jayhawks/Jayhawkers were irregular yankee/kansas troops that were basically terrorists. They looted Missouri homes, burned crops and farms, raped women and stole anything they could carry back to kansas. They were nothing but criminals, operating with the blessing of the Union army - who turned a blind eye to their activities because their victims lived in Missouri. This went on several years before the Civil War, during the war, and some after. When Missouri raiders burned Lawrence, they found warehouses full of stuff that had been stolen from Missouri.
When the University of kansas picked that as their mascot, it was salt on a wound that too many people still remembered. It's kind of sad to me that so many SEC fans call Missourians "yankees" and have no idea how violent our pro-confederate history really is.
Missouri boys are just as bad. Quantrill and his gang, Bloody Bill Anderson(wonder how he got that name), Jesse and Frank James, etc.
Also here is where they might get some of the info on "Missouri" soldiers fighting for the union.
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In May of 1863, the 1st Kansas Colored Infantry, newly mustered and commanded by Colonel James Williams, was ordered to move from their headquarters in Ft. Scott to the outpost called Baxter's Springs, or simply Baxter's. The black infantry, many of whom were runaway slaves from Southwest Missouri, were ordered to Baxter Springs to quell confederate disturbances in this region.
Missouri had a lot of people fighting the Union on their own without an army backing them. Talk about bravery. Those guys were fighting union troops out of Kansas, Iowa, Illinois.
This post was edited on 2/22/13 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 2/22/13 at 8:23 pm to KCM0Tiger
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The rant is oblivious to facts and logic. That's why I just have up and went with the whole "Yankees" BS despite the fact that I come from a Confederate lineage in the KC area. It's all part of the Rant's little game
I was born in Louisiana, grew up in a YANKEE state, KANSAS. And believe me they never once called Missouri or people from Missouri YANKEES. People from Missouri were the bad guys, evil, etc. Came into Kansas trying to move the border back, intimidate voters, make Kansas a slave state. Now do that sound like a bunch of damn yankees??
Posted on 2/22/13 at 8:37 pm to bayou2003
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Missouri boys are just as bad. Quantrill and his gang, Bloody Bill Anderson(wonder how he got that name), Jesse and Frank James, etc.
Oh, Missouri wasn't blameless by any means. They were violent too. Anderson got his nickname after Lawrence, I believe. He saw his dad killed by Jayhawkers, and then 3 of his younger sisters were arrested for providing food to the Confederate troops. While they were in jail in Kansas City, the building collapsed; one sister was killed, and one severely injured. He sort of snapped, and became really violent - his goal was to kill as many Yankees as he could. He picked up some Indian ways, and started carrying scalps on his saddle.
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Missouri had a lot of people fighting the Union on their own without an army backing them. Talk about bravery. Those guys were fighting union troops out of Kansas, Iowa, Illinois.
History is written by the winners. So a lot more has been told about how bad Missourians were, while Jayhawker actions were whitewashed or ignored completely. Missouri was largely pro-Confederacy. But it makes ranters happy to call us yankees, so OK.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 8:45 pm to bayou2003
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grew up in a YANKEE state, KANSAS
I'm so sorry - prayers sent!
I'm glad you moved back to Missouri - hopefully you're more at home here.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 8:46 pm to the808bass
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Real hate comes when both teams have nothing to play for other than hate.
No one says our old rivalry was "more important." We simply noted we hated each other with the fire of a thousand suns.
This has been a Yankee PSA.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 9:01 pm to RIPZOU
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RIPZOU
Posted on 2/23/13 at 9:04 pm to the808bass
quote:There is actually alot of truth to this. I think alot of times the most hate fueled rivalries are between fairly irrelevant programs.
Real hate comes when both teams have nothing to play for other than hate.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 9:37 pm to 14caratgoldjones
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Now you understand why most in the South hate Yankee's. Our whole region was burned to the ground. The town where I'm from was burned to the ground less than 2 weeks before the war was over. One relative hung and another died by the butt of a gun to the head trying to defend his home from silver thieves. I did some research and found out that a posse from Missouri tried to help defend the town from Gen. Wilson and his raiders, at the same time a regiment from Missouri was also doing the attacking. I get the KU/MU rivalry. I still hate to this day the states of Iowa, Illinois and Indiana and whatever part of Missouri those attackers came from.
Alabama has no one's sympathy for whatever injustices it may or not may not have suffered in the civil war era.
In fact, reconstruction was too light on the entire south. frickers insisted on Jim Crow laws, etc. Should've just averted decades of future discrimination and wiped y'all out altogether.
Deal with it.
This post was edited on 2/23/13 at 9:39 pm
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