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re: Mizzou DE Michael Sam comes out

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Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:02 am to
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Sin is innate in all of us. Maybe you don't understand Christianity very well.



I do understand it quite well, thank you.

Yes, I too dislike the notion that I, by the very virtue of my birth, am somehow broken and need to be absolved for my human nature.

But there's a difference in calling something like lying or stealing a sin versus calling homosexuality a sin. I liar or thief is someone who actively decides to participate in what you would determine is a sinful behavior. They could actively choose to not lie or steal.

Homosexuals can't choose to not be gay. That's where the backlash from the accusations of sinfulness come from.
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:02 am to
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Comparing someone who's gay to bestiality? Classic



Why speak in ignorance? I 100% believe you have no idea of the history. Not even the US History of it!

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I think most are speaking of the people who scream "small government" but still want that government to keep gays from having the same marriage rights.



I was right
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:03 am to
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Most people are really ignorant to the science and the whole history!


The science of what? The whole history of what?

Just science and history in general? I totally agree, darkhorse. People are generally ignorant of science and history.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:04 am to
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But I fully expect you, hunter, to thump your bible every time an athlete has sex outside of marriage. I don't expect to see you condone it in any way, even by making light of it.


Feel free to search my posts celebrating the above. Or show me a press conference where an athlete is announcing his conquests publicly.

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I am very tolerant of the bigots on here


You should be. you've shown yourself to be a rather large one.

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You want to hate on someone because of their sex?


I haven't done so.

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You want to hate on someone because of their skin color?


I haven't done so.

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You want to hate on someone because of their sexual preference?


Not accepting the behavior doesn't equate to hating the person.

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I'm actually very tolerant of people's rights to believe whatever they want.


Your words show the complete opposite.

Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54844 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:04 am to
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But there's a difference in calling something like lying or stealing a sin versus calling homosexuality a sin. I liar or thief is someone who actively decides to participate in what you would determine is a sinful behavior. They could actively choose to not lie or steal.
Not really.

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Homosexuals can't choose to not be gay.
I guess it depends on what you mean by homosexual. Certainly you believe that someone has the choice or not to engage in sex with someone of the same gender.

Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:05 am to
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But here's, my question: If people are born with a strong attraction to the same sex (on a sliding scale, not black and white), then wouldn't the same apply to people who have a major attraction to children or animals? Wouldn't they have been born that way? If so, shouldn't we not put these people in prison and give them the choice of medical castration?
A pedophile who acts on his or her urges to engage in sexual relations with children is victimizing a child who cannot consent to sexual behavior. The cause of the perpetrator's motive is irrelevant.

Likewise, a psychopathic killer could arguably be said to be predisposed to a life of violence, but we don't let them run free after they've victimized people.

I also don't see how this relates to homosexuality. You said yourself that homosexuals in relationships with each other are acting among consenting adults, so no crimes are committed.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:06 am to
My point really is that some forms of intolerance are acceptable, yes. The fact that we have any laws at all tell us we are all intolerant of certain actions.
Posted by DCRebel
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:06 am to
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Your argument would excuse and make people bigots for having a problem with adulterers, because someone couldn't change how they felt about having sex with someone out of wedlock.


Yep.

I'm not married. I have sex. I have no problem whatsoever and I find it annoying that anyone else would have a problem with that. Toss me in the lake of fire if you must, but IDGAF.
Posted by hg
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:06 am to
I wish this guy played for Alabama.
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:07 am to
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The science of what? The whole history of what?


The history of the homosexual movement here in the US.

The Science that now suggest that the body makes a mistake that results in a person with homosexual tendencies.

The current push. You, DC really do not know...
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:07 am to
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Everyone makes a decision to act or not act on feelings or impulses.


And this is an asinine statement.

You don't mind people being gay, but you just don't want them doing gay things?
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:08 am to
In all scenarios.. the individual has the choice to act or not act on the underlying urges. A pedophile has the choice to act on his desires or not to. A rapist, the same. A murderer the same. An adulterer the same. A thief, the same. A homosexual, the same.
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:08 am to
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Alahunter


You won't get anywhere with people like you are arguing with.
Posted by Tackle74
Columbia, MO
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:09 am to
Those who openly denigrate and push for discrimination vs Homosexuals will in the future be looked upon like the bigots of our racial history. Funny many racist tried to use religion to justify their hatred just like those who hate gays do today.
Posted by Moustache
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:09 am to
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Romans 1 isn't about homosexuality, bro. It's about pagan idolatry and temple sex rituals. You're the one guilty of taking it out of context.

The Corinthians verse you cited was a translation error. There was no literal translation for the Greek word Arsenokoites. It wasn't even a widely used word at the time of its writing.

The Timothy verse only refers to perverts. Doesn't say anything about homosexuality.

So try again.



I don't know why I'm responding, as you're going to just demean me and speak condescendingly, but here goes:

Romans 1 mentions female homosexuality. read again "bro."

Corinthians acknowledges former homosexuals in the church. It ends with an uplifting mesasge of hope and goodness in God. Greek ????? / ??s?? [arrhen / arsen] means "male", and ???t?? [koiten] "bed," with a sexual connotation. Most scholars still believe Arsenokoites refer to homosexuals. However, I'll admit that there is some controversy around the use here.

Timothy depends on your interpretation. I believe it is talking about homosexuality.

Also, I can't believe I left this one out:

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female....(Matthew 19:1-8)

Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54844 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:09 am to
I'm not speaking for hunter and his words certainly don't reflect my opinions, but I don't mind people being gay or doing gay things. I don't mind you having sex outside of marriage. What I mind or don't mind doesn't change whether God/Christianity views those things as sin or not.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:12 am
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:10 am to
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You don't mind people being gay


it's their deal not mine.

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but you just don't want them doing gay things


I said, I shouldn't be forced to celebrate or accept it. It's unfortunate, your biases and intolerance and hate can't see the difference.
Posted by LateArrivalforLSU
Ascension Parish
Member since Sep 2012
3512 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:10 am to
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The SEC has the 1st openly gay player? Didn't see that coming

Well, now, we are talking about Mizzou here.
Posted by NaptownHog
Indianapolis, In
Member since Nov 2011
513 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:10 am to
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My point really is that some forms of intolerance are acceptable, yes. The fact that we have any laws at all tell us we are all intolerant of certain actions


No, your point is you can be intolerant to my stance and I have to be tolerant to yours.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54844 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:11 am to
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Those who openly denigrate and push for discrimination vs Homosexuals will in the future be looked upon like the bigots of our racial history.
I agree.

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Funny many racist tried to use religion to justify their hatred just like those who hate gays do today.
This is true too.

Nothing in a proper reading of the Bible would justify bigotry, hate or discrimination.
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