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re: Mizzou DE Michael Sam comes out
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:43 am to Moustache
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:43 am to Moustache
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If I don't accept their lifestyle and denounce my religion for it, and if I don't accept them dressing so flamboyant and crude in their parades, then I'm a bigot.
Strawman, bro.
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:43 am to reedus23
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To vilify someone because of their preferences is being a bigot
This is kinda just stupid. People prefer animal sex too. It doesn't make one a bigot to find that repulsive.
He's gay. Fine. But the hate and intolerance being spewed towards people who find the act of homosexuality as immoral and sinful, is ridiculous. Those defending him, and arguing for acceptance, have shown to be the most hateful, bigoted and frankly, disgusting individuals in this thread.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:43 am to RamboMizzou
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I'm sure Michael Sam would have loved to keep it hush hush like he has had for the past five years.
He actually made a statement exactly to that point, or nearly. His point was, I with I didn't have to speck to ESPN and the NYT. It isn't newsworthy that someone is straight so why do some feel it is newsworthy that he is gay. Unfortunately some do.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:44 am to rumproast
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While I'm admittedly grossed out by the gay lifestyle (or the thought of gays engaging in things normally associated with man and woman), I absolutely support their right to do whatever they want. However....I do not believe this right requires the rest of the world to hear about it on the front page of the paper...or that we have to stand up and applaud when somebody announces their preference. (Again, why exactly does anybody feel the need to announce this anyway? I don't see any press releases where some athlete is public ally proclaiming he is straight.). For a group who claims to want to be accepted as normal, they sure seem to be awfully busy pronouncing and declaring how different they are.....this front page story....gay parades....etc...
In theory, I agree with the premise "what is the point of making an announcement." The issue is that were he to have continued living his life as is, someone would have made a big deal out of it (ie. ESPN) anyways, only he would have had no say so in the narrative. Instead of a confident individual who is proud of who he is, he becomes a sneaky individual who is hiding in the shadows due to some proclivity he is ashamed of.
I don't personally care what anyone does with their own life so long as it doesn't interfere with my liberties. Same goes for front page stories about families who are suing to allow prayer in school right or a kid who is oddly enough waiting until marriage. These things make big time news stories often as well. Good for them? They get the same kind of responses. "Way to go" and some version of "WTF is wrong with you"... ultimately, the narrative doesn't change.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:44 am to DCRebel
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Nope. Disrespect is far from bigotry.
Would you treat a person differently if you knew they were Christian and opposed the homosexual lifestyle? (As in, if you were in a position of authority and held it against them in, say, a promotion? That is the definition of bigotry if so.)
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ETA: Still, your beliefs do serve to marginalize homosexuals by suggesting that there's something inherently wrong or inferior with them.
I don't say they're inferior. I've already stated their sins they struggle with are no different than my own. We all have sin we struggle with, which is why I dislike the Westboro crowd and the like. The one thing that does concern me is that this is the only sin many people do not believe is a sin. However, judgment is not mine to have, thus I do not make a judgment.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:44 am to reedus23
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No. I won't.
This is the problem.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:46 am to boXerrumble
Good for him
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:46 am to aggressor
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aggressor
I don't think the SEC Rant is an appropriate place to discuss religion, but I do believe that there are inherently bigoted beliefs interwoven with your (and many other) religions.
It's not as innocuous as "recognizing sin." Saying "that's a sin" isn't the same as saying "the sky is blue." It's not exactly matter of fact. If you can't see the implications in labeling something sinful or calling someone a sinner (and not in the "oh but we're all sinners" kind of way) then you're not reading your Bible.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:47 am to Ridgewalker
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Guess what, I'm straight. Let's schedule a press release and parade to announce it to the world!!!
Ridge, you cannot be naive. Do you really think Sam wanted to schedule a press conference?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:47 am to WDE24
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What does this mean?
The context I'm using it is people call me a bigot for believing it is a sin. So, in order for me to not be a bigot, I must not believe it is a sin? (accept their lifestyle) That's what I meant by that statement.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:49 am to Alahunter
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Those defending him, and arguing for acceptance, have shown to be the most hateful, bigoted and frankly, disgusting individuals in this thread.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:49 am to DCRebel
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If you can't see the implications in labeling something sinful or calling someone a sinner (and not in the "oh but we're all sinners" kind of way) then you're not reading your Bible.
That is very convoluted on your part, IMO.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:50 am to DCRebel
quote:To someone who is a Christian it really is.
It's not as innocuous as "recognizing sin." Saying "that's a sin" isn't the same as saying "the sky is blue."
quote:IMO, the only right reading of the Bible declares us all to be sinners. We all equally carry the label. The only implication is that without an intermediary (Jesus Christ) we are destined for eternal separation from the creator.
If you can't see the implications in labeling something sinful or calling someone a sinner (and not in the "oh but we're all sinners" kind of way) then you're not reading your Bible.
Now you don't have to accept this as truth. It either is or it isn't regardless of what you or I believe, but it is what Christianity teaches.
ETA: FWIW, I think no differently of Michael Sam now than before he was out.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 8:52 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:50 am to reedus23
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No. I won't. You want to turn the tables and call others intolerant? I say you're god damned right (by the way, I just sinned no different than Sam did but you probably won't thump your bible as loud about that). I will not be tolerant of people saying some of the things that have been said in this thread and elsewhere. If people simply accepted certain differing opinions, women would still be considered the property of men, blacks would still be in shackles and we would be stuck in the 1700's.
Oh, and no one, Sam included, is trying to tell you that you have to like the act. Hell, I don't like to picture fat people banging. But I don't go on for 50 pages talking about them nor do I think it's wrong for them to have sex. To vilify someone because of their preferences is being a bigot and that's exactly what has gone on in this thread by many.
So you guys can be intolerant but bash anybody who don't support your agenda?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:51 am to aggressor
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Being a bigot isn't about recognizing sin,
Don't disagree about this. It is what causes THIS particular sin to be discussed for 50+ pages but failing to go to Church does not that makes a person a bigot. If I saw 50+ page threads bemoaning the fact that athletes weren't going to church then I would feel differently about the people that have gone on for 50+ pages wanting to bemoan Sam's "sin".
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:51 am to Sevendust912
quote:LMAO. If you said this sincerely then you are clueless.
Maybe because there are no gay players in the NFL
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:51 am to Alahunter
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Those defending him, and arguing for acceptance, have shown to be the most hateful, bigoted and frankly, disgusting individuals in this thread.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:53 am to reedus23
quote:If you want to make a point that many people hide behind religion to justify bigotry, I will agree with you. To point to the length of the thread as some confirmation of bigotry is a bit silly.
be discussed for 50+
Christians should love and respect Michael Sam just like they should everyone else. Christian are not superior to him in anyway.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 8:54 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:53 am to Alahunter
Comparing someone who's gay to bestiality? Classic
I think most are speaking of the people who scream "small government" but still want that government to keep gays from having the same marriage rights.
I think most are speaking of the people who scream "small government" but still want that government to keep gays from having the same marriage rights.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:54 am to Moustache
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Would you treat a person differently if you knew they were Christian and opposed the homosexual lifestyle? (As in, if you were in a position of authority and held it against them in, say, a promotion? That is the definition of bigotry if so.)
I would like to think that I wouldn't.
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I don't say they're inferior. I've already stated their sins they struggle with are no different than my own. We all have sin we struggle with, which is why I dislike the Westboro crowd and the like. The one thing that does concern me is that this is the only sin many people do not believe is a sin. However, judgment is not mine to have, thus I do not make a judgment.
Then keep on not judging.
That said, people who believe homosexuality is a sin probably haven't spent much time with or around homosexuals. They don't choose to be gay; it is who they are. So don't be shocked when they're resentful towards people who tell them that something innate in them - something which cannot be changed - is sinful, immoral, etc.
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