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Posted on 10/22/13 at 5:35 pm to Gcockboi
Posted on 10/22/13 at 5:35 pm to Gcockboi
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You all wouldn't know anything about that because Anderson left Mizzou loaded with talent.
Sometimes it's better not to post about things when you don't know anything.
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Posted on 10/22/13 at 5:47 pm to mizzoukills
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The Kentucky vitriol for Mizzou is weird...
It's because they aren't SEC and they are threatened by mizzou.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 6:01 pm to Gcockboi
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Frank Martin is cleaning up the mess that Darrin Horn left here. You all wouldn't know anything about that because Anderson left Mizzou loaded with talent. It's called progress and CFM's past success at Kstate is indicative of where we are headed.
Meanwhile Haith has never won a game in the tourney. We have a much, much brighter future.
If by "loaded with talent" you mean "without a single recruit", you would be right. Otto Porter was there for the taking if Anderson had put any effort into it, but Anderson didn't even try because he already had one foot out the door.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 6:21 pm to TigerBait2008
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So haith suspended 5 games equals....
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Two Final Four appearances wiped out of the NCAA record books forever.
ESPN has reported that John Calipari’s Memphis team will have to “vacate” its 38 wins from the 2007-2008 season, including five NCAA tournament wins.
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No matter what you think about Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari, you have to admit he has a remarkable talent for getting out of town one step ahead of the posse. Last week Calipari achieved the dubious distinction of becoming the first coach to have two Final Four appearances stricken from the record books
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Final Four, with UMass in 1996, was vacated after star player Marcus Camby was ruled ineligible for having accepted $28,000 as well as jewelry and prostitutes from agents. In both cases, in fact, Calipari had already landed a lucrative new job.
Glad to see someone who sees things through the glasses of reality instead of blind homerism.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 6:34 pm to Mizz-SEC
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Mizz-SEC
And our troll has arrived.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 6:37 pm to kywildcatfanone
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And our troll has arrived.
Some of us work for a living. You know, to support the deadbeats who monitor the board movements of others...
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 6:45 pm to Mizz-SEC
Haith and Pearl not treated equally for same basic issue
People love to mention, particularly on Twitter, that the NCAA hit Bruce Pearl with a three-year show cause penalty because of an improper cookout attended by recruits. It's simple and somewhat funny. So it's a line that gets repeated over and over and over again.
But it's not really true.
That's never actually been true.
Ask anybody at the NCAA or Tennessee, and they'll explain in great detail that Pearl's biggest crime wasn't holding a cookout for high school juniors in violation of NCAA bylaws. His biggest crime, they've always insisted, was misleading investigators when asked about the cookout. Simply put, Pearl lied. And the lesson the NCAA wanted to send by hammering Pearl and effectively ending his coaching career (at least until somebody hires him next year) is that lying to the NCAA is a line that should not be crossed.
So why is the message delivered Tuesday so different?
That's the question I immediately had when the NCAA announced its sanctions against Miami stemming from a lengthy and compromised investigation that, as SI.com's Pete Thamel pointed out on Twitter, probably did more damage to the NCAA than Miami. If Pearl got a three-year show-cause penalty for lying to the NCAA that's so severe that the mere anticipation of it cost him and his staff their jobs, why did former Miami coach Frank Haith -- now the head coach at Missouri -- only get a five-game suspension for allegedly lying to the NCAA about something far worse than a cookout?
You haven't read the 102-page report yet?
That's fine.
Because I have (at least the parts related to the basketball program).
And the most important thing you need to know is that the NCAA made a "factual conclusion" that Haith changed his story multiple times about why he issued unusual "advanced checks" to three assistants. According to the report, Haith initially said the checks were issued because the assistants "had personal obligations and were financially struggling" before ultimately acknowledging that he wrote the checks to create cash designed to repay former booster Nevin Shapiro in hopes of ensuring he wouldn't talk about a number of things, including an allegation that Shaprio had used money to help secure a commitment from a basketball recruit named Dequan Jones.
People love to mention, particularly on Twitter, that the NCAA hit Bruce Pearl with a three-year show cause penalty because of an improper cookout attended by recruits. It's simple and somewhat funny. So it's a line that gets repeated over and over and over again.
But it's not really true.
That's never actually been true.
Ask anybody at the NCAA or Tennessee, and they'll explain in great detail that Pearl's biggest crime wasn't holding a cookout for high school juniors in violation of NCAA bylaws. His biggest crime, they've always insisted, was misleading investigators when asked about the cookout. Simply put, Pearl lied. And the lesson the NCAA wanted to send by hammering Pearl and effectively ending his coaching career (at least until somebody hires him next year) is that lying to the NCAA is a line that should not be crossed.
So why is the message delivered Tuesday so different?
That's the question I immediately had when the NCAA announced its sanctions against Miami stemming from a lengthy and compromised investigation that, as SI.com's Pete Thamel pointed out on Twitter, probably did more damage to the NCAA than Miami. If Pearl got a three-year show-cause penalty for lying to the NCAA that's so severe that the mere anticipation of it cost him and his staff their jobs, why did former Miami coach Frank Haith -- now the head coach at Missouri -- only get a five-game suspension for allegedly lying to the NCAA about something far worse than a cookout?
You haven't read the 102-page report yet?
That's fine.
Because I have (at least the parts related to the basketball program).
And the most important thing you need to know is that the NCAA made a "factual conclusion" that Haith changed his story multiple times about why he issued unusual "advanced checks" to three assistants. According to the report, Haith initially said the checks were issued because the assistants "had personal obligations and were financially struggling" before ultimately acknowledging that he wrote the checks to create cash designed to repay former booster Nevin Shapiro in hopes of ensuring he wouldn't talk about a number of things, including an allegation that Shaprio had used money to help secure a commitment from a basketball recruit named Dequan Jones.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:18 pm to kywildcatfanone
And there he is. Dude, your coach was trying to pay off the snitch from snitching. So, GFY.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:26 pm to kywildcatfanone
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before ultimately acknowledging that he wrote the checks to create cash designed to repay former booster Nevin Shapiro
I don't believe this is accurate. I believe the NCAA believes this. But Haith never said he wrote the checks to pay Shapiro. Whoever wrote this article got the most basic fact wrong.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:28 pm to the808bass
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Whoever wrote this article got the most basic fact wrong.
Forgot to add that, it was Gary Parrish of CBSSports
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:31 pm to kywildcatfanone
He's not the first to get this wrong.
The $10,000 wasn't alleged to have been paid to Dequan (who had already signed with Miami before the date Shapiro alleges he paid for his commitment, btw). It was alleged to be repayment of a portion of the $50k donation Shapiro gave to the basketball program. And when Miami declined to return the donation, Shapiro threatened one of the assistant coaches. Shapiro was running out of cash for his Ponzi scheme at that point.
The $10,000 wasn't alleged to have been paid to Dequan (who had already signed with Miami before the date Shapiro alleges he paid for his commitment, btw). It was alleged to be repayment of a portion of the $50k donation Shapiro gave to the basketball program. And when Miami declined to return the donation, Shapiro threatened one of the assistant coaches. Shapiro was running out of cash for his Ponzi scheme at that point.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:32 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
quote:Thats some funny shite , right there.
Devin Booker in black and gold raining threes on Calipari will be amusing. "We're Kentucky we can get whoever we want...well except Oriakhi...and Devin Booker...OK as long as Mizzou doesn't offer a kid, we can get whoever we want."
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:44 pm to Fizzou
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If by "loaded with talent" you mean "without a single recruit", you would be right. Otto Porter was there for the taking if Anderson had put any effort into it, but Anderson didn't even try because he already had one foot out the door.
Lol he left ya'll Pressy, Bowers, Dixon, and Kim English and that's just off the top of my head. That is major talent.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:50 pm to zou_keeper
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zou_keeper
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t's because they aren't SEC
Know your place...we are a charter member.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:51 pm to Mizz-SEC
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Some of us work for a living. You know, to support the deadbeats who monitor the board movements of others...
So, you just got out of your shift at McDonald's? I kid...I kid.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:54 pm to WildcatMike
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And there he is. Dude, your coach was trying to pay off the snitch from snitching. So, GFY.
Haith was led astray by a rouge assistant who got a little too cozy with a shady booster.
When the booster realized he was in financial straights, he tried to blackmail Haith and the assistant.
Then, out of a fierce sense of loyalty, Haith tried to protect the assistant and got caught in the crossfire.
So the reality is Haith's only crime was undue loyalty to an assistant coach, which is reflected in the 5 game penalty.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:54 pm to Gcockboi
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Lol he left ya'll Pressy, Bowers, Dixon, and Kim English and that's just off the top of my head. That is major talent.
And all of those are gone this year (only two here last year). And we will still finish in the top 5 of the SEC.
Keep telling yourself that he's rebuilding.
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