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re: "Mike Leach's air raid will not work in the SEC", said the Talking Heads
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:13 am to megiddo
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:13 am to megiddo
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Harrell seems to be doing very well for himself right now, as is Kliff Kingsbury. B.J. Symons is probably the worst off of Leach's Tech QBs, but he's still a multi-millionaire investment banker.
That is a good pitch to top ranked recruits. Come play for me. You won't win title and won't play in the NFL but you
might be an assistant college coach a decade into your post-college career or you can work in corporate finance.
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Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:13 am to holdmydak
Jesus, when did this become a pissing match about who has worse talent. What an odd argument.
State beat the breaks off LSU. The air raid broke records in its debut. SEC fricked.
State beat the breaks off LSU. The air raid broke records in its debut. SEC fricked.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:14 am to Windy City
He'd probably rather face Big 12/Pac 12 defenses in general, but he'd also probably rather face the SEC offenses in general.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 11:15 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:15 am to skrayper
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He managed wins over two ranked teams (a #20 Alabama that ended up 4-7 and #21 LSU team that also ended up 4-7) over those two years.
Did UK have the recruits MSU now gets? No. Leach was new then. He was the OC... Not HC.
Did UK have a defense? No. I'm not sure that they have ever had a top 30 defense in their history. So how does that even compare to MSU?
Again... ignorance.
Personally, This is what the SEC and Bama needs. It will force us to be better on defense.
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(Kentucky gave up over 50 points
Your issue is that you start all things equal. They are not. Leach was not responsible for the Defense. His job is the offense.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:16 am to holdmydak
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Jesus, when did this become a pissing match about who has worse talent. What an odd argument.
State beat the breaks off LSU. The air raid broke records in its debut. SEC fricked.
I love the Frankenstein logic . . FIRE BAD!!!!
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:16 am to Hailstate15
I mean you say that but this stuff will build and change your expectations with time. You already are coming hard at anyone with legit criticism of Leach, which btw I don’t think you are wrong on some of the counters.
I’m not even just talking about his overall record, he could go 7-3 and one of those losses will probably be a big lead given away just because of his style. Are you going to be totally rational in those times?
Maybe you will be but most wouldn’t
I’m not even just talking about his overall record, he could go 7-3 and one of those losses will probably be a big lead given away just because of his style. Are you going to be totally rational in those times?
Maybe you will be but most wouldn’t
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:17 am to megiddo
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He'd probably rather face Big 12/Pac 12 defenses in general, but he'd also probably rather face the SEC offenses in general.
This is fair and true.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:18 am to Jjdoc
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Your issue is that you start all things equal. They are not. Leach was not responsible for the Defense. His job is the offense.
What are you talking about . . He is the head coach!! He is responsible for everything.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:19 am to Windy City
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:23 am to Windy City
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Moo States is marginally better in the recruiting game but that is not something the program should hang its hat on. The best classes you have ever had in recent history barely crack the Top 20 rankings.
No no. Bama recruits in the top 10.
MSU recruits top 25 to 15.
Again... Tech never had a defense like MSU.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:23 am to Jjdoc
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1- Tech is not in the SEC.
True - it has a much easier division.
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2- Tech has never recruited at the level of the MSU
Since 2000, Mississippi State's average ranking is 31; Tech's is 44.5. Not much difference really at those tiers (not like comparing 1st to 14th)
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3- Tech was never a recruiting machine in the conference. It's like comparing Vandy to Bama.
Neither is Mississippi State. Tech to State is NOT the same as Vandy to Bama. Not even in the same galaxy.
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4- If MSU can beat TAMU under Moorhead....
Okay...?
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5- Tech has never had a defense like MSU. In fact, none of Leach's teams ever had a defense like MSU in MSU's worst years.
The one that gave up 34 points and over 400 yards to what may be the second worst offense in the SEC West (no offense LSU fans, but Brennan looked lost - he might turn things around, but still).
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2018/19 MSU had the #1 defense in the nation playing in the SEC!
It helps when you average 40 rushes per game. Last year, State was #11 in the conference in defense and gave up just shy of 400 ypg. How does 2018 help? State had, what, three first round draft picks on that defense?
Your debate points feel woefully lacking.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:24 am to skrayper
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The one that gave up 34 points and over 400 yards to what may be the second worst offense in the SEC West
Well this just isn’t true. Aggie put up 17 on Vandy. Arkansas is in our division baw.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:24 am to megiddo
Kingsbury is an oddity in that he failed upwards continually. How you go from his miserable stretch in Lubbock to the hottest coaching commodity in the NFL is an odd thing for sure.
Oh well . . . the Kyler Murray thing seems to be working out less bad than most folks feared but he still seems to not know how to coach.
Angry Cardinals Fans
Oh well . . . the Kyler Murray thing seems to be working out less bad than most folks feared but he still seems to not know how to coach.
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Arizona Cardinals' Kliff Kingsbury slammed for coaching job in loss to Detroit Lions
Angry Cardinals Fans
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:25 am to Jjdoc
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Your issue is that you start all things equal. They are not. Leach was not responsible for the Defense. His job is the offense.
I'm referencing the fact that his offense never helped his defense. The same reason why the hurry up can be feast or famine for a team - no time to rest for your defense.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:29 am to Jjdoc
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MSU recruits top 25 to 15
Top 15?
Rankings by year. Lets tap the brakes a bit.
2020 - 28th
2019 - 24th
2018 - 27th
2017 - 24th
2016 - 28th
2015 - 18th
2014 - 36th
2013 - 24th
2012 - 22nd
2011 - 41st
2010 - 30th
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:29 am to Jjdoc
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MSU recruits top 25 to 15.
State hasn't finished in the top 15 since 2003.
In the past 10 years they've averaged 27th.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:31 am to Windy City
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Come play for me. You won't win title and won't play in the NFL
At one point in 2019, seven of the 32 starting quarterbacks came from Leach or the Leach tree. Again, Ignorance.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:32 am to Jjdoc
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from Leach or the Leach tree
LOL . . .take out the "Leach Tree" which is not even a Leach Tree and tell me what you get there.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:33 am to Windy City
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Your issue is that you start all things equal. They are not. Leach was not responsible for the Defense. His job is the offense.
What are you talking about . . He is the head coach!! He is responsible for everything.
Leach was never the HC at UK. That was Hal. Again... ignorance.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:34 am to Jjdoc
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At one point in 2019, seven of the 32 starting quarterbacks came from Leach or the Leach tree. Again, Ignorance.
Do coaches get to claim players from their coaching trees as well?
Bloody hell, half the damn NFL must be from the Saban coaching tree.
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