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re: Media responds to Avery Johnson to Bama - "Home run hire"
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:09 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:09 pm to Dr RC
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He didn't win shite.
Except for being the only non Spurs/Lakers West winner in that ridiculous stretch of dominance
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The Mavs were a completely moronic foul by Manu from blowing a 3-1 lead and a huge halftime lead to the Spurs b/c he sucked at adjusting.
Or because Popovich is one of the greatest coaches/adjusters of all time
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He is the equivalent of a football coach that runs up the gut 3 times in a row for no gain and then does it again on 4th down b/c damn it all to hell that's the offense he wants.
Nah, that'd be Mike D'Antoni or Brian Shaw.
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:10 pm to allin2010
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Has this become official yet? When is the presser?
Surprised they haven't officially released it but apparently that is all happening tomorrow. I'm assuming they want to wait out the National Championship.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:10 pm to nolatide33
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o you think Avery will have any recruiting effect in the New Orleans area? It would be great to steal a couple of those Lsu recruits.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:11 pm to Dr RC
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That was the 3rd straight year the Grizz were swept in the first round and that Suns team was missing an injured Amare.
This is classic excuse making. They didn't have Amare in the first or second round of the playoffs either, yet managed to win their way to the conference finals where the Mavs beat them.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:13 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Sorry TBird, it's not a bitter opinion at all and if you could take his peen out of your mouth maybe you'd see that but you are clearly blinded by his time on the Spurs. If I have anyone to be bitter about its Nellie b/c he flat quit on the team the year before b/c he was pissed they let Nash walk and wouldn't give him an extension until the season was over.. Avery seemed like sunshine and rainbows after that debacle until it became abundantly clear he was in over his head, had massive ego/paranoia problems, could never take any criticism/blame while simultaneously heaping tons of it on everyone else on team/front office, and was one of the most predictable play callers in the league.
To he is a guy who said he was thrilled to get Jason Kidd b/c he was a PG who knew how to win late in games and then proceeded to not let him run fast breaks, wouldn't let him run the offense without calling every single play, and then would bench him in late game situations.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:13 pm to bamasgot13
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This is classic excuse making. They didn't have Amare in the first or second round of the playoffs either, yet managed to win their way to the conference finals where the Mavs beat them.
He played 3 games that season.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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He played 3 games that season.
This is my point. The guy can't claim they beat a weak Suns team that was missing Amare when that same Suns team missed him most of the season and didn't have him at all in the 1st or 2nd rounds of the playoffs when they won both of those series.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:19 pm to Dr RC
Dude, you're bitter
And yes, I love the guy
Truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
But it's a solid hire for Bama. Period.
And yes, I love the guy
Truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
But it's a solid hire for Bama. Period.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:21 pm to bamasgot13
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This is my point. The guy can't claim they beat a weak Suns team that was missing Amare when that same Suns team missed him most of the season and didn't have him at all in the 1st or 2nd rounds of the playoffs when they won both of those series.
I was agreeing - the team that they beat was a 50+ win team on it's own without AS. They didn't all of a sudden lose him, voiding their regular season success.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:28 pm to nolatide33
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Do you think Avery will have any recruiting effect in the New Orleans area? It would be great to steal a couple of those Lsu recruits.
Was the little general born in Australia?
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:35 pm to TbirdSpur2010
So to disagree that he is a very good coach or that this is a good hire and basing that off the fact that he runs a very predictable offense, has had ego/paranoia issues at both coaching stops, has a penchant for losing his players, and loves to take all of the credit while accepting none of the blame makes me bitter?
Sorry man but you are just wrong on this one. I wanted Avery to work out but it didnt and it was pretty much completely all on him due tot he factors I have listed over and over.
Sorry man but you are just wrong on this one. I wanted Avery to work out but it didnt and it was pretty much completely all on him due tot he factors I have listed over and over.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:37 pm to bamasgot13
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This is classic excuse making. They didn't have Amare in the first or second round of the playoffs either, yet managed to win their way to the conference finals where the Mavs beat them.
It took them 7 games in both series to beat a weak Lakers team and a blah Clippers team. Its not like they took out teams that would have won the title.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:40 pm to Dr RC
So you feel like he will be a disaster at Alabama then?
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:42 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Avery Johnson to Bama - "Home run hire"
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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His results were pretty dang similar to what Carlisle has done the last 7 years minus finally winning the whole thing in 2011. 3 1st round exits, 1 conference final, 1 NBA Title, 1 missed playoffs. Are you in the group that wants Carlisle gone? I've always thought he was pretty good. He definitely has a different roster than his first few years and AJ's years due to age and management decisions now.
No I dont want Carlise gone but if al you are doing is looking at records and playoff results you have done a poor job of comparing the two.
Carlisle has not alienated the entire team and organization the way Avery did. He rarely puts blame on players and almost always falls on the sword. He is very adept at making adjustments and dealing with the massive roster turnover the Mavs have been going through since the title. He doesn't make everything about him in good times while shitting on everyone (players and management) in the bad. He doesn't take credit for players individual accomplishments like Avery did with Dirk's MVP. He doesn't drive away assistant coaches b/c he is scared they have the players ear more than him. He hasn't caused a team to be in open revolt to the point they'd rather go out partying during the playoffs instead of staying at the hotel and studying up for the next game. Hell, even Dirk wanted Avery gone and he is one of the most easy going athletes in the NBA.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:44 pm to Dr RC
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No I dont want Carlise gone but if al you are doing is looking at records and playoff results you have done a poor job of comparing the two.
No, I'm not doing that at all. I keep up with the NBA pretty closely and I know there have been rumblings about Carlisle over the last year. That was why I asked.
I think Carlisle is very good, Top 5-10 coach in the league. Mavs are definitely about to hit a point where they have to trade off pieces or somehow get younger, because the core is about to the tipping point.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:44 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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So you feel like he will be a disaster at Alabama then?
I think he lasts 3 years, 4 at best, and I think it will end ugly.
He will give everyone some energy early on and then when the going gets tough it will all explode into finger pointing, paranoid assistant culling, and ire towards anyone that dares question him.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I know there have been rumblings about Carlisle over the last year.
thats mostly from the peanut gallery fans from sites like Dallasbasketball.com where the "fans" are the garden variety low information viewers that do nothing but watch the ball.
Within the organization RC is golden and in no trouble at all.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:48 pm to Dr RC
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thats mostly from the peanut gallery fans from sites like Dallasbasketball.com where the "fans" are the garden variety low information viewers that do nothing but watch the ball. Within the organization RC is golden and in no trouble at all.
I'm a big Carlisle fan.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:15 pm to Dr RC
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So to disagree that he is a very good coach or that this is a good hire and basing that off the fact that he runs a very predictable offense, has had ego/paranoia issues at both coaching stops, has a penchant for losing his players, and loves to take all of the credit while accepting none of the blame makes me bitter? Sorry man but you are just wrong on this one. I wanted Avery to work out but it didnt and it was pretty much completely all on him due tot he factors I have listed over and over.
Sounds like you are a Dallas fan so I'll concede that you probably know more about Johnson's coaching than I do. I always wondered about a guy like him becoming the coach of the guys he was playing with/against a few months before. That has to be a unique challenge in terms of a the player/coach dynamic.
Also, a lot of the negatives I hear about him seem to revolve around his rigid approach that NBA players didn't respond to (which makes sense to me in general and even more sense when you consider these guys were his peers not long before). I wonder if that approach might be better suited to the college game / younger players?
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