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re: LSU returns better team - how could they lose in Nov?
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:35 pm to Tiger Authority
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:35 pm to Tiger Authority
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It's still sad.
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Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:43 pm to Garfield
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Grey area.
Fair.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:57 pm to Garfield
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LSU returns better team - how could they lose in Nov?
If Cade Foster transfers to LSU I'd like our odds.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:59 pm to arwicklu
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If Cade Foster transfers to LSU I'd like our odds.
Again, Cade Foster wasn't your problem, but your coach was in that game. It is completely meaningless in the scheme of things because that game didn't matter at all in retrospect. But he had made one field goal all year and was asked to kick multiple field goals near or over 50 yards at a point in the season where many NFL teams hadn't even attempted a 50 yarder. I'm sick of everyone acting like a 50 yard field goal outdoors at the college level should be regarded as a gimmy.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:02 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Irony. The asterick isn't funny and is dumb.
The statement "Alabama hasn't beaten lsu in 1000 days" the one you made a few pages back, I'd say that statement calls for an *asteRICK
That's like me saying Florida hasn't beaten alabama since 2006, when I know good and well they beat us in the seccg in 08
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:03 pm to Tiger Authority
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Again, Cade Foster wasn't your problem, but your coach was in that game. It is completely meaningless in the scheme of things because that game didn't matter at all in retrospect. But he had made one field goal all year and was asked to kick multiple field goals near or over 50 yards at a point in the season where many NFL teams hadn't even attempted a 50 yarder. I'm sick of everyone acting like a 50 yard field goal outdoors at the college level should be regarded as a gimmy.
Oh come on... the guy went 2/9 for the year. He was pretty bad for a highly recruited player. LSU played a good game but 1/4 was pretty pathetic. I'm not sure how he won the job as the distance kicker!
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:07 pm to Tiger Authority
He knew foster was capable of making it. Saban knew it wasn't likely, but it was possible. With the defense he had, he knew 9 points would have won the game, that's why he kept trying field goals. He knew foster was capable of doing it, so he kept letting him try because he knew one more would seal it. He wouldn't put the kid out there to kick from a distance that he'd never seen him make a field goal from before
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:07 pm to arwicklu
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Oh come on... the guy went 2/9 for the year. He was pretty bad for a highly recruited player. LSU played a good game but 1/4 was pretty pathetic. I'm not sure how he won the job as the distance kicker!
Like I said, he had made one all year before that game. Y'all were at home with the best running back in the country, and you should have played field position IMO. Like I said, doesn't matter. Doesn't change anything. 21-0....and all that. But Cade Foster didn't lose you that game. Your coaches did. Much like our coaches lost us the NC game and your coaches won it.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:08 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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He knew foster was capable of making it. Saban knew it wasn't likely, but it was possible. With the defense he had, he knew 9 points would have won the game, that's why he kept trying field goals. He knew foster was capable of doing it, so he kept letting him try because he knew one more would seal it. He wouldn't put the kid out there to kick from a distance that he'd never seen him make a field goal from before
Obviously he wasn't capable. Because he wasn't even close on many of those and was short on one, maybe two (memory fading).
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:09 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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He knew foster was capable of making it. Saban knew it wasn't likely, but it was possible. With the defense he had, he knew 9 points would have won the game, that's why he kept trying field goals. He knew foster was capable of doing it, so he kept letting him try because he knew one more would seal it. He wouldn't put the kid out there to kick from a distance that he'd never seen him make a field goal from before
Honestly they called a poor game. They went backwards inside the 30 a couple times and made a shaky kicker have a harder kick. Those kicks could be made but in no way were they gimmees. The guy was a goat but I'm not denying that he was not put in position to succeed.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:10 pm to arwicklu
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Honestly they called a poor game. They went backwards inside the 30 a couple times and made a shaky kicker have a harder kick. Those kicks could be made but in no way were they gimmees. The guy was a goat but I'm not denying that he was not put in position to succeed.
Yeah I agree.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:12 pm to Tiger Authority
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Like I said, he had made one all year before that game. Y'all were at home with the best running back in the country, and you should have played field position IMO. Like I said, doesn't matter. Doesn't change anything. 21-0....and all that. But Cade Foster didn't lose you that game. Your coaches did. Much like our coaches lost us the NC game and your coaches won it.
I actually 100% agree with that. The coaches made bad calls but also the LSU defense stepped up on their own end.
I don't 100% agree that your coaches lost you the game either but they didn't put Jefferson in position to win either... although I don't know if he could have regardless.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:13 pm to Tiger Authority
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Yeah I agree.
The second game was a tough one because Lee really struggles against the Bama defense and Jefferson just doesn't have it. I'm curious what would have happened if Mett had played last year. It honestly couldn't have been worse.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:23 pm to arwicklu
Lot of LSU fans speculate the "what if" quarterback "x" played or "why didn't Lee play or Mett play" but I think those posters are dumb.
The gameplan was horrible. Absolutely horrible. I don't think it was the gameplan, I think Miles went ultra conservative, played not the lose, and y'all had nothing to lose and played like it and beat our arse.
The problem Miles had is that Jefferson and our team didn't turn the corner in the prior two games until the 2nd half. Alabama is obviously no Arkansas or UGA, but I think that likely had a role in keeping him in for as long as he did. Lee was garbage against y'all in the first game and I have no hopes for him. And you don't just throw in the 3rd string guy that hasn't gotten a meaningful snap all year into the NC game. You just don't. Fans say they would but that's why they're fans.
JJ had shown a propensity to improve in the second half, but in this game, y'all were too good.
The gameplan was horrible. Absolutely horrible. I don't think it was the gameplan, I think Miles went ultra conservative, played not the lose, and y'all had nothing to lose and played like it and beat our arse.
The problem Miles had is that Jefferson and our team didn't turn the corner in the prior two games until the 2nd half. Alabama is obviously no Arkansas or UGA, but I think that likely had a role in keeping him in for as long as he did. Lee was garbage against y'all in the first game and I have no hopes for him. And you don't just throw in the 3rd string guy that hasn't gotten a meaningful snap all year into the NC game. You just don't. Fans say they would but that's why they're fans.
JJ had shown a propensity to improve in the second half, but in this game, y'all were too good.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:25 pm to Tiger Authority
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The gameplan was horrible. Absolutely horrible. I don't think it was the gameplan, I think Miles went ultra conservative, played not the lose, and y'all had nothing to lose and played like it and beat our arse.
The game plan was very Broncos/Tebow to me. Let the guy be a QB or don't play him. You're not going to win a championship running the option against a great defense.
I don't think the Lee posters are right. I don't think they should have played Mett in the championship either. I just wonder what he would have looked like for a full year. Lee just melted down too much against the rush.
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Lee was garbage against y'all in the first game and I have no hopes for him. And you don't just throw in the 3rd string guy that hasn't gotten a meaningful snap all year into the NC game. You just don't. Fans say they would but that's why they're fans.
Totally agree.
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JJ had shown a propensity to improve in the second half, but in this game, y'all were too good.
We played well but I do think that JJ was put in position to fail. Miles doesn't do that to his guys often.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:27 pm to arwicklu
Cade Foster 44 yard field goal MISSED.
Cade Foster 50 yard field goal MISSED.
Jeremy Shelley 49 yard field goal BLOCKED
Jeremy Shelley 34 yard field goal GOOD.
Cade Foster 46 yard field goal GOOD.
Cade Foster 52 yard field goal MISSED.--OT
Cade hit one longer than one he missed. While the 3 misses are not high percentage, if you're a scholarship kicker, you've got to make 1 out of 3 in the 40 and over range. Points were a premium and I don't blame the coaches for kicking. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Case in point....
Jeremy Shelley 23 yard field goal GOOD.
Jeremy Shelley 42 yard field goal BLOCKED.
Jeremy Shelley 34 yard field goal GOOD.
Jeremy Shelley 41 yard field goal GOOD.
Jeremy Shelley 35 yard field goal GOOD.
Jeremy Shelley 44 yard field goal GOOD.
Jeremy Shelley extra point MISSED.
In game 1, Bama's kickers were 1 for 4 in the 40 to 50 range. In game 2, Bama's kicker were 2 for 3. Overtime, there was no other choice but to try. That really leaves one at 50 that was a bad call, if you want to say it's a bad call. In the past, the kid has made them from that distance though, and as I said, points were a premium. I don't blame the coaches. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
Cade Foster 50 yard field goal MISSED.
Jeremy Shelley 49 yard field goal BLOCKED
Jeremy Shelley 34 yard field goal GOOD.
Cade Foster 46 yard field goal GOOD.
Cade Foster 52 yard field goal MISSED.--OT
Cade hit one longer than one he missed. While the 3 misses are not high percentage, if you're a scholarship kicker, you've got to make 1 out of 3 in the 40 and over range. Points were a premium and I don't blame the coaches for kicking. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Case in point....
Jeremy Shelley 23 yard field goal GOOD.
Jeremy Shelley 42 yard field goal BLOCKED.
Jeremy Shelley 34 yard field goal GOOD.
Jeremy Shelley 41 yard field goal GOOD.
Jeremy Shelley 35 yard field goal GOOD.
Jeremy Shelley 44 yard field goal GOOD.
Jeremy Shelley extra point MISSED.
In game 1, Bama's kickers were 1 for 4 in the 40 to 50 range. In game 2, Bama's kicker were 2 for 3. Overtime, there was no other choice but to try. That really leaves one at 50 that was a bad call, if you want to say it's a bad call. In the past, the kid has made them from that distance though, and as I said, points were a premium. I don't blame the coaches. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:28 pm to arwicklu
JJ sucked it up too. His overall personality and attitude doesn't allow him to overcome in situations like that unfortunately. I'm a big Miles supporter but I've always said he's loyal to a fault. I don't think loyalty to JJ is what did him in though, because I don't think Lee would have done anything but make it worse. Nobody showed up and y'all did. You deserved it. And I had to sit there in your section and eat it. It was pretty fricking awful.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:29 pm to Alahunter
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I don't blame the coaches. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
I thought it was the calls leading up to the FGs that hurt. They lost yardage before the FG twice I believe. Obviously its easy to call a game looking back though.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:30 pm to arwicklu
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They lost yardage before the FG twice I believe
They did, and I won't argue that.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:30 pm to Alahunter
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Cade Foster 50 yard field goal MISSED.
Jeremy Shelley 49 yard field goal BLOCKED
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Cade Foster 52 yard field goal MISSED.--OT
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Overtime, there was no other choice but to try. That really leaves one at 50 that was a bad call, if you want to say it's a bad call.
Two by my count. He didn't just miss, he was short and didn't have the leg.
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