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re: LSU, home to the $12 mil buyout for Da Coach O, is suffering major budget woes
Posted on 6/29/18 at 3:47 pm to BrerTiger
Posted on 6/29/18 at 3:47 pm to BrerTiger
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But will any of us still be alive the next time 10erC beats Bama?
If it happens in 50 years texagdaniel will be nearly 70
So probably not
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 3:57 pm to Sun God
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Yeah you're wrong man. Sorry.
No, there are many reports that Bobby Jindal is a huge part of the reason that Les Miles didn't get fired in 2015. Here is one:
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There you go: proof that politicians meddle with LSU football, and therefore my entire theory that the AD has to worry about the political optics of their decisions is correct.
Thank you for playing and have a nice day.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 3:58 pm to Sun God
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This place is gonna be a fricking disaster when A&M beats LSU.
I plan to take a week off from this place if/when that ever happens. It will be a ban zoo.
Then I will come back after that month with about three dozen really really annoying threads that I have been percolating on for 7+ years.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:01 pm to BrerTiger
In November 2015, you had 2 programs in very similar situations.
Georgia and LSU.
Jim Kleinpeter of the Picayune put it perfectly the day Richt was fired:
Alleva, lacking all backbone, didn't act decisively. Instead, he punted. And fired Miles anyway the following September.
The absolute best time to hire a coach was exactly when UGA did it. They moved quickly and decisively. And because of that, they were a Tua away from a natty in January.
When Alleva gets fired, it will have nothing at all to do with money or the budget. It will have everything to do with his actions in November 2015.
At the time, I didn't want to see Miles get fired. Mostly because I don't trust the incompetent boobs in charge to hire a better coach and not because I think Miles is a great coach. But in hindsight, it's pretty obvious that UGA did everything right. There was never any doubt at the time or now that Alleva turned it into a massive clusterfrick. But there couldn't be a clearer contrast of "how to fire/hire a coach vs. the absolute worst way to fire/hire a coach" than 2015 UGA vs. LSU.
Georgia and LSU.
Jim Kleinpeter of the Picayune put it perfectly the day Richt was fired:
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By Jim Kleinpeter jkleinpeter@nola.com,
NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
Georgia did what LSU refused to do. The school has fired football coach Mark Richt, according to a tweet by ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach.
Alleva, lacking all backbone, didn't act decisively. Instead, he punted. And fired Miles anyway the following September.
The absolute best time to hire a coach was exactly when UGA did it. They moved quickly and decisively. And because of that, they were a Tua away from a natty in January.
When Alleva gets fired, it will have nothing at all to do with money or the budget. It will have everything to do with his actions in November 2015.
At the time, I didn't want to see Miles get fired. Mostly because I don't trust the incompetent boobs in charge to hire a better coach and not because I think Miles is a great coach. But in hindsight, it's pretty obvious that UGA did everything right. There was never any doubt at the time or now that Alleva turned it into a massive clusterfrick. But there couldn't be a clearer contrast of "how to fire/hire a coach vs. the absolute worst way to fire/hire a coach" than 2015 UGA vs. LSU.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:03 pm to cardboardboxer
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I plan to take a week off from this place if/when that ever happens. It will be a ban zoo.
The bannings will be epic.
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Then I will come back after that month with about three dozen really really annoying threads that I have been percolating on for 7+ years.
I bet you've filled a few jars.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:05 pm to cardboardboxer
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No, there are many reports that Bobby Jindal is a huge part of the reason that Les Miles didn't get fired in 2015. Here is one:
From your link:
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Governor Bobby Jindal, fresh off a failure of a presidential campaign, made a fun cameo by stepping in to support Miles: [Jindal], a friend to Miles, made calls to high-ranking officials before Saturday’s game. He expressed his concern at how the situation had been handled and encouraged officials not to part ways with the coach, a source said. “LSU made the right decision in retaining Coach Miles,” Jindal said in a statement to The Advocate earlier this week. “As the (second) winningest coach in LSU history, he earned it.”
The fact that he made calls to LSU BOS expressing (correctly) his view that the situation had been handled extremely poorly to that point does not suggest that he was a huge reason why Les wasn't fired.
Here's the reason Les wasn't fired:
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The cost was a major factor. It would have taken approximately $17 million to buy out Miles and his coaching staff. Combining that with the hiring of Fisher, the exchange would have been around $30 million. Though the Advocate says private donations would have covered the amount, school president F. King Alexander knew it would have been a bad look from the outside, since LSU dealt with a budget crisis earlier this year. For now, Fisher stays where he is, and Miles gets to keep eating grass.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:11 pm to cardboardboxer
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There you go: proof that politicians meddle with LSU football, and therefore my entire theory that the AD has to worry about the political optics of their decisions is correct.
If the AD can't deal with politicians, then frick him.
And by deal with them, I mean tell them "frick off and let me do my job."
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:13 pm to UpToPar
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Here's the reason Les wasn't fired:
Which includes the EXACT point I have been making this entire thread: that the optics of the LSU AD spending money is politically a problem right now.
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Though the Advocate says private donations would have covered the amount, school president F. King Alexander knew it would have been a bad look from the outside, since LSU dealt with a budget crisis earlier this year.
Boom, there it is in black and white: my entire theory is proven.
The poor financial situation facing the university DOES effect the football program despite LSU fans not wanting to admit that.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:17 pm to BrerTiger
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I bet you've filled a few jars.
Actually if it would have happened years ago I would have been way more into it. I am getting too old for this shite.
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If the AD can't deal with politicians, then frick him.
I too see that as part of the AD's job- to deal with all egos like politicians and big boosters.
Joe's problem is he started in a weak position because of the Duke bullshite and the fact he didn't have skins on the wall. We got the support to pay for Jimbo (I have been told that entire 75 million has been raised) because our AD hired a huge splash hire at Washington to show us he could do it.
I personally think Joe should have never gotten the AD job after Duke, and his entire career at LSU has been a mistake.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:19 pm to UpToPar
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Here's the reason Les wasn't fired:
And Alleva should have told F. King "I've got the man I want and I'm going to hire him. It's my decision to make, I've got the money lined up and if you won't let me make it then fire me or I quit."
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:23 pm to BrerTiger
Or more exactly, King shouldn't have put him in that position.
Compare how he acts to say how the Texas president personally flew with Charlie Strong to convince a potential OC to come to Texas and its like night and day.
College football isn't a frick around sport anymore, there isn't any margin for mistakes. Either everyone- the AD, the president, the fans, the boosters- row in the same direction or you will get boat raced by a program that is.
With billions of $ on the table the wiggle room that used to exist is gone. Us Aggies know that better than anyone, as we almost watched TCU then Baylor come close to stealing our spot as the second most popular Texas team.
Compare how he acts to say how the Texas president personally flew with Charlie Strong to convince a potential OC to come to Texas and its like night and day.
College football isn't a frick around sport anymore, there isn't any margin for mistakes. Either everyone- the AD, the president, the fans, the boosters- row in the same direction or you will get boat raced by a program that is.
With billions of $ on the table the wiggle room that used to exist is gone. Us Aggies know that better than anyone, as we almost watched TCU then Baylor come close to stealing our spot as the second most popular Texas team.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:31 pm to cardboardboxer
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Politicians had a HUGE role to play in how Les was fired and why Coach O was hired. The LSU AD will always be handcuffed as long as that is the case, as yalls meddling politicians are easily as bad as say the boosters that constantly meddle in the Texas program. F King is a bigger problem than Joe Alleva.
Compare that to say Alabama where politically they could spend every dollar in the state on a Nick Saban gold statue and those redneck motherfrickers would be willing to put a second refi on their pickup trucks if it helped them win one more game. Yall can't keep up with that.
The facts of the matter is that Louisiana has easily the shittiest local politicians in the entire SEC, and even worse they are driven by liberal sensibilities that means that spending big money on football while disenfranchised group X doesn't get Y will never sit well with them.
It is basically the big albatross LSU has to deal with, and many LSU fans won't even accept that it is a problem.
I actually agree with all of this and am glad you, at least, have some sense unlike Daniel and Farmer
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:33 pm to cardboardboxer
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I personally think Joe should have never gotten the AD job after Duke, and his entire career at LSU has been a mistake.
Other than the Will Wade hire, I would struggle to find any reason to disagree.
Perhaps Aggy should stick to "Joe Alleva is a terrible AD" instead of "LSU is poor" as a talking point but admittedly that would make for a very boring thread and a troll value in the negative infinity.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:34 pm to cardboardboxer
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I still think Alleva is an idiot but I think he made an honest effort to get the best coach he could but wasn't willing to spend an insane amount of money.
This is a outright lie.
Coach O has NEVER been a coordinator. Ever. No one has ever trusted them to run their defense, and only Ole Miss was dumb enough to make him a permanent head coach.
Are you really going to tell me out of all the 100+ head coaches in the game today the best option after Jimbo and Herman was a fricking D Line coach? It is a ridiculous notion.
Coach O was cheap, politically workable because "he talks like us", and would be a yes man to Joe. That is why he runs LSU football today, not because he was "the best coach Joe could get."
That seems to be pretty spot on. But it’s not the narrative that LSU fans want to hear.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:41 pm to BrerTiger
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that would make for a very boring thread and a troll value in the negative infinity.
We don't troll sir
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:42 pm to Lebowski
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Yet, LSU has the highest paid DC in the country.
There’s an old saying or proverb out there...something about throwing good money after bad.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:44 pm to Farmer1906
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We were clearly more successful in 12.
And LSU was clearly more successful than Texas A&M has been in decades in 2011.
BTW, how did that great season in 2012 help you out? Did you start to reach new heights or did you just give a ton of guaranteed money to an drunk and regress?
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I think Aggy is going to make an offer to buy LSU.
Maybe they should just poach Coach O. I mean, all of their football championships have come under head coaches they poached from Louisiana colleges (Dana X. Bible from LSU and Homer Norton from Centenary). Maybe Coach O is the piece A&M needs to finally win another football championship.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:48 pm to StopRobot
I like it. Coach O will remain head coach for the next 40 years.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:49 pm to bbrownso
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Maybe they should just poach Coach O
We're good. Jimbo wouldn't let him work here for free
Posted on 6/29/18 at 4:50 pm to cardboardboxer
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Or more exactly, King shouldn't have put him in that position.
If we're going to be really fair, it's the Legislature (and Jindal's policies) that put King in that position.
I would have a lot more respect for Alleva if he had up and quit in 2015 over the whole debacle but I guess he's not close enough to retirement.
Speaking of Alleva, check out his Wikipedia entry right now (and no, it wasn't me):
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Joseph Louis Alleva (born c. 1952) is the current athletics director at Louisiana State University. He officially started on July 1, 2008.[1] He was formerly the athletics director at Duke University He will be fired within a year and currently is doing everything in his power to destroy LSU athletics in the meantime.
The edit looks to be a couple days old.
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