Started By
Message
re: LSU Fans—Max Johnson Question
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:30 am to JackTraven
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:30 am to JackTraven
We hired a new offensive coordinator and passing game coordinator so... who really knows.
We've got 3 coming back with starting experience. All 3 have attributes that you like as your QB but...
Max appears to have that winning moxie... that "we'll hang in there, fight through adversity and win in the end" kind of factor. That play-making intangible...
But we'll see.
We've got 3 coming back with starting experience. All 3 have attributes that you like as your QB but...
Max appears to have that winning moxie... that "we'll hang in there, fight through adversity and win in the end" kind of factor. That play-making intangible...
But we'll see.
0
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:32 am to Dstllsu
quote:
Brennan is the best if healthy. His arm is way better than Max.
Max is a solid qb. Doesn't throw a good deep ball, doesn't have elite arm strength.
If Max is the day one starter, I think Brennan is done. The people against him point at W/L which isn't a qb specific stat.
He obviously had a very serious injury and the fact that he is still not been cleared to play almost 4 months later tells me his health is still uncertain. If he gets beat out by Max, where is he going. No D1 school is going to take him for next Fall given his injury was likely part of the reason who could not get back to win the Starting LSU job.
My guess is he stays at LSU till December and if he is fully healthy, he goes the Graduate Transfer route for 2022.
Max's arm is good enough, and I think he can get stronger and has the frame to carry good weight. Myles, same for TJ, are never going to get faster, quicker and develop better feet.
In my view, Max's weak areas or fixable. Myles can't carry enough weight (durability is always going to be an an issue) doesn't move well, same with TJ, and TJ has already shown he is not careful with the football (too many TO's, in my view).
So again on what basis is Brennan the best if healthy?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:37 am to JKChesterton
quote:
Myles can't carry enough weight (durability is always going to be an an issue)
He's basically the same size as Joe Burrow
quote:
So again on what basis is Brennan the best if healthy?
Better arm, can utilize more of the field, knows the offense much better which was clear just from the playcalling with either during games.
He was also better in basically every statistical category.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:46 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:
Better arm, can utilize more of the field, knows the offense much better which was clear just from the playcalling with either during games.
He was also better in basically every statistical category.
Well ok, that is your view or as the great philosopher Dude Lewboski stated, "that's just, like your opinion man"
Do you know for a fact he knows the offense better? and as far as weight, Joe and Myles are both 6-4, Joe played at about 225 at LSU. Myles is around 205. He came here at about 175 and if you follow LSU ball closely you would know he has struggled to put on good weight (muscle). Joe Graduated at 6-4 200lbs out of HS.
Lots of LSU fans are saying Nuss is going to have a chance to win the job, according to what I picked up from one of the the other LSU sites, he came in at about 173lbs. Needs to Redshirt and get bigger and stronger, very similar to when Myles came in.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:23 am to JKChesterton
quote:
Well ok, that is your view or as the great philosopher Dude Lewboski stated, "that's just, like your opinion man"
Sure it is, but I can actually defend my statements with fact unlike the other poster who could only say that Max has "it" and Brennan doesn't.
quote:
Do you know for a fact he knows the offense better?
Its obvious from the way the playcalling changed.
quote:
and as far as weight, Joe and Myles are both 6-4, Joe played at about 225 at LSU. Myles is around 205.
False
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:41 am to SidewalkTiger
What is false?
Joe was about 225 at LSU and 200 out of HS. Played in the 220 to 225 range for the Bengals last year Myles was not about 175 coming into LSU, maybe 180 tops and played around 205 last year.
What is false?
Joe was about 225 at LSU and 200 out of HS. Played in the 220 to 225 range for the Bengals last year Myles was not about 175 coming into LSU, maybe 180 tops and played around 205 last year.
What is false?
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:43 am to JKChesterton
quote:
What is false?
Joe was not about 225 at LSU and 200 out of HS. Played in the 220 to 225 range for the Bengals last year Myles was not about 175 coming into LSU, maybe 180 tops and played around 205 last year.
What is false?
Post your evidence that Myles played at 205.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:49 am to Scoob
quote:
We started the season 1-2 with Brennan, he had 2 games where he could have rallied us to W's. He didn't.
In Brennan’s three games LSU scored more points than any other team in school history through a QB’s first three starts. He did everything needed to win the games.
It literally took two of the the worst defensive performances in history, one of them being the worst in conference history, for LSU to lose.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:51 am to SidewalkTiger
What is his weight, he was listed at 207 coming out of fall camp, you think he gained weight during the 3 games he played, most players loose 3 to 5 pounds during the season, or at minimum retain their weight.
So 205 is an appropriate playing weight.
So 205 is an appropriate playing weight.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:56 am to SidewalkTiger
Really?
LINK
Ok, actually was listed at 210 to start the year, not 205.
So I give Myles credit, he as 175 coming into LSU an put on 35 lbs. Is 210 big enough, maybe? But Joe was 221 when he went to the Combine in February 2020 which tells me he played in the 220 to 225 range at LSU during 2019.
Can Myles play at 220 and not lose any more quickness? I don't know. Not saying I think you need to run your QB, I don't. Long term that is not tenable for a long tenure as QB, look at Cam. However, moving your feet and being able to roll out, move the pocket, move your feet in the pocket when a team pressures you from one side and being able to throw from a different spot. And, when you need to, pick up a first down with your feet and get down, which Max did several times in the Florida game, all lead me to think Max is the best option.
Now, if Myles wins the jOb, I am not one of these fans that will scream for the other QB, support him 100%.
LINK
Ok, actually was listed at 210 to start the year, not 205.
So I give Myles credit, he as 175 coming into LSU an put on 35 lbs. Is 210 big enough, maybe? But Joe was 221 when he went to the Combine in February 2020 which tells me he played in the 220 to 225 range at LSU during 2019.
Can Myles play at 220 and not lose any more quickness? I don't know. Not saying I think you need to run your QB, I don't. Long term that is not tenable for a long tenure as QB, look at Cam. However, moving your feet and being able to roll out, move the pocket, move your feet in the pocket when a team pressures you from one side and being able to throw from a different spot. And, when you need to, pick up a first down with your feet and get down, which Max did several times in the Florida game, all lead me to think Max is the best option.
Now, if Myles wins the jOb, I am not one of these fans that will scream for the other QB, support him 100%.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:01 am to JKChesterton
quote:
No D1 school is going to take him for next Fall given his injury was likely part of the reason who could not get back to win the Starting LSU job.
There’s been a lot stupid takes in this thread—many of them by you—but this takes the cake. If Brennan wants to transfer, there will be multiple Power 5 schools offering him. He’s an SEC caliber starting QB with a plus arm who holds the LSU record for the best passing performances in a QB’s first three starts.
quote:
In my view, Max's weak areas or fixable. Myles can't carry enough weight (durability is always going to be an an issue)
He’s 6-4 and 210.
quote:
Myles, same for TJ, are never going to get faster, quicker and develop better feet.
Another stupid take. Burrow’s footwork and shiftiness was night and day from 2018–from moving within the pocket and escapability outside of the pocket. Watch 2018 Auburn and see how many times he got taken down trying to escape the pocket, versus 2019.
Brennan and TJ will never be mobile QBs, but to suggest they can never improve is ridiculous.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:16 am to JKChesterton
quote:
What is his weight, he was listed at 207 coming out of fall camp, you think he gained weight during the 3 games he played, most players loose 3 to 5 pounds during the season, or at minimum retain their weight.
So 205 is an appropriate playing weight
quote:
Ok, actually was listed at 210 to start the year, not 205.
Player bios are notoriously unreliable. According to both Orgeron and Brennan, he was closer to 220.
quote:
"I talked to Myles yesterday, he weighed 219. Myles came to us at soaking wet 170. I know that for sure."
LINK
quote:
Brennan said his meal routine has gotten a bit more toward normal in the past few months, even while he's had to take to backyard obstacle courses and a chainsaw to cut logs to lift as weights during the coronavirus quarantine. But the Mississippi native's playing weight has continued to be a point of interest as season nears. Brennan said he hovered between 218 and 221 pounds before returning to campus in June. Burrow, also listed at 6-4, weighed in at 216 pounds at the NFL Scouting Combine in February.
LINK
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:42 am to logjamming
I watched Joe run a 59 yards to inside the 5 yard line against UGA that same year, you think UGA doesn't have elite guys on Defense. The The Auburn game was his first road SEC start.
And again, if, IF, Myles not healthy going into the Summer, you think a big time D1 school to be clear, I mean SEC, Big 10 is going to take him in the portal.
Really? We have heard nothing regarding Myles health. Nothing. Did he have surgery? What if he goes to practice and doesn't feel right and at that point somebody says oh well we screwed up, should have surgery.
I get it logjamming, you are for Myles Brennan. I think Max should get the job. However, unlike the Myles Brennan cohort who just make blanket statements that if Myles is healthy, he is the starter with no ifs ands or butts. That is the narrative I challenge.
I said after the LSU/Ole Miss game on numerous posts that the 2021 QB job should be 100% open competition. If Myles wins the job, he wins the job, but he should not be deemed the starter without earning the job.
And yes, he is unhealthy or not 100% health for spring ball, which starts next month, he is not likely to win the starting job at LSU. So if you are a coach at another P5 school, you are going to take a guy who has injury problems.
So let me be clear, if Myles is 100% healthy when Spring ball starts and he "WINS THE JOB" on the field, then great, he should be the starting QB.
And again, if, IF, Myles not healthy going into the Summer, you think a big time D1 school to be clear, I mean SEC, Big 10 is going to take him in the portal.
Really? We have heard nothing regarding Myles health. Nothing. Did he have surgery? What if he goes to practice and doesn't feel right and at that point somebody says oh well we screwed up, should have surgery.
I get it logjamming, you are for Myles Brennan. I think Max should get the job. However, unlike the Myles Brennan cohort who just make blanket statements that if Myles is healthy, he is the starter with no ifs ands or butts. That is the narrative I challenge.
I said after the LSU/Ole Miss game on numerous posts that the 2021 QB job should be 100% open competition. If Myles wins the job, he wins the job, but he should not be deemed the starter without earning the job.
And yes, he is unhealthy or not 100% health for spring ball, which starts next month, he is not likely to win the starting job at LSU. So if you are a coach at another P5 school, you are going to take a guy who has injury problems.
So let me be clear, if Myles is 100% healthy when Spring ball starts and he "WINS THE JOB" on the field, then great, he should be the starting QB.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:48 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:11 pm to JKChesterton
quote:
I said after the LSU/Ole Miss game on numerous posts that the 2021 QB job should be 100% open competition. If Myles wins the job, he wins the job, but he should not be deemed the starter without earning the job.
Like how Georgia took JT Daniels despite him not being healthy?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:21 pm to NATidefan
quote:
They dont have a fricking clue, no matter what they say.
Oh daaamn you got us good! fricking pleb.
To OP: There will be major competition from Brennan, Finley and don’t forget about Nuss being an EE. Personally, I’d take Max over Brennan solely because he has more moxie and can convert 3rd down. He has the “It” factor that Joe has. He’s just a winner. Never had a deer in the headlights look even when we were behind. First time in a LONG time we have quality depth at QB. Probably the first time since 2011, but these guys are way more talented than Jefferson, Lee and Mett.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:25 pm to NATidefan
quote:
They dont have a fricking clue, no matter what they say.
I love how it literally takes bama fans less than one minute to crawl into a thread having nothing to do with them and shite everywhere.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:26 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:
Like how Georgia took JT Daniels despite him not being healthy?
Good example, but we knew what his injury was. Knee injury which typically has a time table on recovery.
Do we know exactly what Myles injury is? All I have heard is abdominal and hip injury. Do we have a history of how well College QB's recover from this.
Every time someone asks Coach O about his status, it is well he is not 100%. Well, what does that mean, how far from 100%. Is he going to be 100% when spring ball starts? There are reports from some of the TOS that his health is still a concern.
When TUA got hurt, it was a clear diagnosis of what it was and what had to be done to correct the injury. Daniels had a Knee injury, clear diagnosis and procedure needed to correct it and timetable for 100% recovery.
So maybe you have information that I don't have so are you suggesting Myles abdominal and Hip injury have both been properly corrected and he is in fact going to be 100% healthy for spring ball.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:32 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:
Like how Georgia took JT Daniels despite him not being healthy?
LINK
JT Daniels had an ACL, which is an injury that has lots of history with players and modern medicine knows how to address. By 1 June 2020, a full 2 months before Fall camp, JT was back working out and doing football things.
So if Myles is doing football drills and things, then that tells me he is good to go. I have not heard anything to that effect. Is he running, can he turn his hips and drop back and throw?
Do you know something the rest of us do not?
Again, if Myles is 100% healthy and goes through spring ball and wins the job, great. I feel the same way about TJ and Max (who I think is the best option). All of them should have to win the job, none of them should be given the job and that includes Myles.
What gets me is every time LSU's QB situation comes up, those that think Myles should be the starter just come at and state if Myles is healthy he is the starting QB. So that's it, just get healthy and the job is yours.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 2/3/21 at 1:04 pm to JKChesterton
quote:
When TUA got hurt, it was a clear diagnosis of what it was and what had to be done to correct the injury.
There were also plenty of folks saying they weren't sure he'd ever be the same.
Still got drafted.
Page 4 of 5
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News