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re: LSU fan: Would you trade Miles for any other coach in the SEC besides Saban?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:39 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:39 pm to Choctaw
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so basically what you're saying is that all these awesome high school kids could've just walked onto campus, shown up on Saturdays and won 80% of their games, 3 SEC West titles, 2 SEC championships, 1 NC and played for another NC without any coaching from Miles because they're all just so super duper talented and stuff.
You realize this is more or less what many great high school programs do, right? They have regular everyday HS coaches leading handpicked players bused in by the school beating severely overmatched teams.
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:40 pm to northalabamacracker
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Less could go 0-10 against freeze througj freezes first 10 games and Choc would just say "na uh Less is better."
FIFY
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:40 pm to REBEL5 AC
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With his talent(aka his recruiting classes), nah. He hasn't.
holy shite...you get dumber with every post
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:41 pm to JPLSU1981
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While I agree, I personally think that goes to both their overall styles IMO ... Saban is a better Favorite coach, and Miles is more suited as an Underdog coach (chicken/egg...Saban more of an Xs and Os guy, Miles more of a player's coach). Unfortunately for Miles at LSU, LSU is only the underdog once per year and it doesn't necessarily play to his "style."
This is sorta my point.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
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You realize this is more or less what many great high school programs do, right? They have regular everyday HS coaches leading handpicked players bused in by the school beating severely overmatched teams.
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Worked well for Chizik, Shannon, Weis, Muschamp, etc.....
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
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You realize this is more or less what many great high school programs do, right?
you realize we're not talking about fricking high school, right?
and no...even high schools that win cosistently on a high level have great coaches.
but thanks for proving that you have no idea what you're talking about...or you're trolling
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:41 pm to Choctaw
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holy shite...you get dumber with every post
I wonder how many thank you letters he has written for that 2007 NC?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:42 pm to abellsujr
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I'd say he left it well off.
You'd be wrong. Dude couldn't recruit for dick at OSU. His only "good" season in Stillwater, 2003, was due to juniors and seniors recruited by Bob Simmons (a much better recruiter).
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:42 pm to abellsujr
Miles was the first step in bringing OSU back. Anyone that disagrees is either too young or too bias.
OSU was a trainwreck before Miles arrived in Stillwater, and by the time he left his short stint there he had beaten the unbeatable OU twice and been Big12 coach of the year once and gone to 3 bowl games. He wasn't my pick to be LSU coach at the time, but it's a fact: Miles did some good things at OSU. The things he did at OSU were enough to get him the LSU job, that should tell you enough right there.
OSU was a trainwreck before Miles arrived in Stillwater, and by the time he left his short stint there he had beaten the unbeatable OU twice and been Big12 coach of the year once and gone to 3 bowl games. He wasn't my pick to be LSU coach at the time, but it's a fact: Miles did some good things at OSU. The things he did at OSU were enough to get him the LSU job, that should tell you enough right there.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:43 pm to REBEL5 AC
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holy shite...you get dumber with every post
I wonder how many thank you letters he has written for that 2007 NC?
keep it up and you're going to have to wear a helmet to leave your house
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:44 pm to REBEL5 AC
Choc, Less is a great recruiter, but only a pretty good coach, and even being a great recruiter freeze has already out recruoted him once and beat him once. Any one who has watched LSU vs OM the last two years can see that.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:45 pm to Choctaw
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you realize we're not talking about fricking high school, right?
Talent is talent and overmatched teams still lose more often than not. The principle doesn't change just because it doesn't suite your argument.
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even high schools that win cosistently on a high level have great coaches.
Which is precisely why the vast majority of state championship coaches never get higher level job...wait.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:45 pm to JPLSU1981
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Miles was the first step in bringing OSU back. Anyone that disagrees is either too young or too bias.
OSU was a trainwreck before Miles arrived in Stillwater, and by the time he left his short stint there he had beaten the unbeatable OU twice and been Big12 coach of the year once and gone to 3 bowl games. He wasn't my pick to be LSU coach at the time, but it's a fact: Miles did some good things at OSU. The things he did at OSU were enough to get him the LSU job, that should tell you enough right there.
Like y'all before Saban.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:And yet still did this?
You'd be wrong. Dude couldn't recruit for dick at OSU. His only "good" season in Stillwater, 2003, was due to juniors and seniors recruited by Bob Simmons (a much better recruiter).
quote:You're proving your point about talent wrong.
Miles returned to Oklahoma State in 2001 as head coach. In the three years prior to Miles' arrival in Stillwater, the Cowboys finished 5–6, 5–6, and 3–8. Oklahoma State posted another losing record (4–7) in Miles' first season at the helm, but subsequently achieved winning records during each of the following three seasons – 8–5, 9–4, and 7–5, respectively. His last three seasons at Oklahoma State ended in invitations to the Houston, Cotton, and Alamo Bowls, respectively.
During the last game of Miles' first season as head coach, OSU faced Oklahoma, which was ranked #4 in the nation. Despite the fact that OSU was facing Oklahoma on the road, Miles led his team to a 16–13 upset victory over the Sooners.
During Miles' second season, OSU again ended the regular season with a game against Oklahoma. This time Oklahoma was ranked the No. 3 team in the country. And yet again, Miles led his team to a 38–28 upset victory over the Sooners. As a result of his team's performance during his second year, Miles was named the Big 12 Conference Coach of the Year by the Associated Press in 2002.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:47 pm to REBEL5 AC
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Zach Lee
holy shite, i've seen it all now. a guy who never played a game of college football is now a bust because he was a 1st round pick in the MLB draft and got paid millions.
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Michael Ford
made a 53 man roster last year a had the misfortune of being in a loaded backfield in college. wasn't a bust
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Jakhari Gore
wasn't a bust, had the misfortune of not being better than all the other 4 and 5 star running backs on the roster.
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I got bored quickly. So many busts and there are a lot more.
it's funny because a lot of the guys you named were buried in the depth chart because lsu brings in 4 and 5 star talent at every position every year. it's a good problem to have. i still can't believe you actually called a baseball player a bust because he chose 7 million dollars over playing college football.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:47 pm to northalabamacracker
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and even being a great recruiter freeze has already out recruoted him once and beat him once. Any one who has watched LSU vs OM the last two years can see that.
so i guess this would also hold true if we were talking about Sumlin and Saban.....amirite?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:47 pm to Korin
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Like y'all before Saban.
Sure. Not sure what that has to do with anything, though.
Was it somehow in question that Saban pulled LSU from the ashes and brought us back before handing the reins over Miles? I wasn't aware people were contending otherwise.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:48 pm to Korin
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Like y'all before Saban.
we had a bad decade...what's your point?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
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you realize we're not talking about fricking high school, right?
Talent is talent and overmatched teams still lose more often than not. The principle doesn't change just because it doesn't suite your argument.
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even high schools that win cosistently on a high level have great coaches.
Which is precisely why the vast majority of state championship coaches never get higher level job...wait.
i honestly don't know what you're talking about....and i'm not sure you do either.
why don't you just explain this without talking about high shool and shite...or just admit that you're wrong
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so basically what you're saying is that all these awesome high school kids could've just walked onto campus, shown up on Saturdays and won 80% of their games, 3 SEC West titles, 2 SEC championships, 1 NC and played for another NC without any coaching from Miles because they're all just so super duper talented and stuff.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:50 pm to abellsujr
You and I simply have different definitions of success, which is strange given the current states of our programs.
I don't consider 5-6 losses a year in the Big XII success.
I don't consider 5-6 losses a year in the Big XII success.
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