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re: LSU fan: Would you trade Miles for any other coach in the SEC besides Saban?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:21 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:21 pm to Choctaw
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he won at OSU. check out their records before he arrived.
A&M, remember? We were there
He was 16-16 in Big XII play and lost 5 or more games three out of four years. That's a very loose definition of winning. He only averaged one win more per year than his predecessor Bob Simmons.
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no they don't
As the favorite, Les Miles covers the spread only 26% of the time. That is dead last among current SEC coaches. Compare it to Saban, who covers the spread nearly 70% of the time as the favorite.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 2:22 pm
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:21 pm to Roger Klarvin
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His teams just seem to get by on talent alone so often.
you act like getting top shelf talent to play for you isn't just as, if not more, important than the actual coaching aspect of running an elite program. and no coach would win more than 7 or 8 games a year in the sec consistently without talent like the elites have.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:23 pm to Roger Klarvin
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His teams just seem to get by on talent alone so often.
this has to be the dumbest shite ever said in all of sports and i hear it repeatedly.
i'm actually surprised you said because you don't come off as that stupid
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:23 pm to Roger Klarvin
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m not saying Freeze is better than Miles, but I'm not sure Miles could have gotten anymore wins out of Ole Miss the last couple of years. His teams just seem to get by on talent alone so often.
Fair enough. But talent is the name of the game in college football. It is the ONLY game in college football. The teams that have the best talent win the games (and championships) ... simple as that.
Coaching college football is about one thing: Recruiting. If you do it well, you win consistently and therefore put yourself in position to occasionally win a title. If you don't do it well on a CONSISTENT basis year-in-year-out, you don't, and you will never win a title in a conference like the SEC.
The reason Nick Saban has conquered the college game isn't because he is a great defensive mind (he certainly is, but that's not the key to his success). The key to Nick Saban's success is getting a Top5 (Hell, Top2) recruiting class....every. single. year. Pushing the envelope in recruiting and settling for nothing less than the absolute best talent in the country is the key to Saban's succss. Terry could be his OC/DC with that talent and they'd consistently coast to 10+ win seasons every year. That's what put Miles and Saban as the most successful SEC coaches in the last decade ... they are the BEST recruiters on a CONSISTENT basis in the SEC, period. As boring as it sounds, there's nothing more to it than that.
People like to think Xs and Os are a big part of the game, because it gives talking heads something to talk about and disect. But unfortunately, at least in the college game as well as the high school game, Xs and Os have very little to do with determining your elite teams and your non-elite teams.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:24 pm to Choctaw
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you said Freeze >> Miles. but if LSU is presently a much superior program wouldnt that make Miles >> Freeze
I know you aren't this dumb. Rondo is a better PG than Chalmers, but Chalmers is about to get his 3rd straight NBA ring. That doesn't make Chalmers better than Rondo. You can't compare Freeze and Miles on what they do against other teams. All I've said is Freeze has outcoached Miles the past two years. Any expert would agree. The statistics don't lie. This has become a flame thread because of your arrogance in twisting my words to make Miles look better than Freeze...but I guess that says all we need to know.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Worked well for Chizik, Shannon, Weis, Muschamp, etc.....
His teams just seem to get by on talent alone so often.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:25 pm to Lacour
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I came back in an attempt to try to bring some darkness into that eternally sunshine filled melon head of yours.
You're like Tom Cullen from the Stand.
M-O-O-N. That spells 21-0
where's your little bama logo next to your name?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:25 pm to lsufball19
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you act like getting top shelf talent to play for you isn't just as, if not more, important than the actual coaching aspect of running an elite program.
Plenty of programs have had long stretches of significant success without recruiting at an elite level.
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and no coach would win more than 7 or 8 games a year in the sec consistently without talent like the elites have.
LSU doesn't just have elite talent, they have top-2 talent. LSU is more talented than their opponent at least 11 times every season.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:26 pm to REBEL5 AC
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You can't compare Freeze and Miles on what they do against other teams. All I've said is Freeze has outcoached Miles the past two years. Any expert would agree. The statistics don't lie. This has become a flame thread because of your arrogance in twisting my words to make Miles look better than Freeze...but I guess that says all we need to know.
wrong. and Miles is better than Freeze
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:26 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Plenty of programs have had long stretches of significant success without recruiting at an elite level.
name one in the sec
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LSU doesn't just have elite talent, they have top-2 talent. LSU is more talented than their opponent at least 11 times every season.
and who do you credit that to? lsu just being lucky?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:26 pm to Choctaw
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this has to be the dumbest shite ever said in all of sports and i hear it repeatedly.
If that's not true, then how has Miles not won a NC with all of his absurd talent. He's squeaked by with never fully tapping into that talent. The players speak for themselves. Miles has had quite a few college busts and NFL busts. There is a reason for that.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:28 pm to JPLSU1981
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The reason Nick Saban has conquered the college game isn't because he is a great defensive mind (he certainly is, but that's not the key to his success). The key to Nick Saban's success is getting a Top5 (Hell, Top2) recruiting class....every. single. year.
Yes, but here's the difference: Nick Saban routinely CRUSHES the opposition. His average margin of victory is over a full touchdown higher at Bama than Miles' is at LSU.
Saban wins in a manner which reflects great talent meeting great coaching. Sometimes, it seems like LSU wins in spite of average coaching.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:28 pm to Choctaw
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wrong. and Miles is better than Freeze
If it makes you happy, I'll stop making fun of Miles for being outcoached by a "stupid" high school coach.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Plenty of programs have had long stretches of significant success without recruiting at an elite level.
who?
so basically what you're saying is that all these awesome high school kids could've just walked onto campus, shown up on Saturdays and won 80% of their games, 3 SEC West titles, 2 SEC championships, 1 NC and played for another NC without any coaching from Miles because they're all just so super duper talented and stuff.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:29 pm to REBEL5 AC
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how has Miles not won a NC with all of his absurd talent.
he has
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Miles has had quite a few college busts
name them
quote:so has saban and every other college coach in the history of ever. miles has also put more players in the nfl than most college coaches. there's a reason for that too
and NFL busts
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:29 pm to REBEL5 AC
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If it makes you happy
it does make me happy that Miles is one of the best in the country.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:30 pm to Choctaw
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This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:30 pm to lsufball19
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and who do you credit that to?
The LSU brand post-Saban. Recruiting elite classes to LSU isn't exactly difficult (at least relatively speaking), especially given that they are the only even semi-relevant school in a talent rich state.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:31 pm to REBEL5 AC
Less could go 3-7 against freeze througj freezes first 10 games and Choc would just say "na uh Less is better."
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