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re: Louisville - did the SEC miss out?
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:23 pm to CatFan81
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:23 pm to CatFan81
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Whatever. Our facility upgrades will put CWS and Rupp on par with yours... with no corporate sponsor bush league shite.
No it won't. Lipstick on a pig. Your university is so daggum broke they can't even afford building something new. Last resort was to do some cough cough...."upgrades".
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:47 pm to Alanin502
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Alanin502
In case you are not paying attention - current Directors Cup standings
#22 UK = 168 (fall) + 343 (winter) + 102 (spring) = 613
#33 UL = 186 (fall) + 308 (winter) + 0 (spring) = 494
613 - 494 = 119 points behind (even if the Cards win the CWS it only adds 100 points)
Here are the current ACC and SEC schools ahead of you :
# 4 North Carolina
# 5 Florida
# 7 Notre Dame (moving to ACC)
# 8 Duke
# 9 Georgia
#10 Texas A&M
#15 Florida State
#17 Virginia
#22 Kentucky
#30 LSU
#32 Arkansas
#33 Louisville
That ease of schedule afforded by a dying Big East will go bye bye in 2014.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:59 pm to Cheese Grits
I'm sorry what part of UofL only participates in HALF THE SPORTS did not register? The fact that UofL has finished ahead of Uk 6 of the past 8 years is pathetic. It should NEVER happen...yet it has. When all is said and done we will finish ahead yet again. How are the Capital One Cup standings while youre feeling poll happy. Wanna post those too? Oh ok. Thanks for playin.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:02 pm to ACCcards
I like how you combined two conferences together to post us so low. LMAO! So in other words 6th place in the ACC and MOST years 6th place in the $EC. Yeah thats not too shabby. I can just as easily say wait till we start competing in more sports. Wrestling is about to be added. We'll dominate that too. Sit back and watch it happen.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:20 pm to Cheese Grits
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That ease of schedule afforded by a dying Big East will go bye bye in 2014.
Yeah, although the ACC isn't much better in football.
I give Louisville some credit, they have had a good year. Football is the hardest to give credit, just because of the awful schedule they play. Put them in the SEC east and they go 6-6 at best. Why Florida didn't show up is still a mystery to me.
They had the best BBall team this year, and the women's team making it to the finals from a #5 seed was awesome for them. I rooted for them against UConn.
I don't follow baseball much anymore, so I don't know what it takes to get them there. I never hear of big east teams being good, so maybe it is like football.
So, UL fans, I give you some credit (although the poster who brought up the racist stuff should be banned), but let's not take it for any more than it is. Take the credit offered for the recent success and be happy about it.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:23 pm to ACCcards
Directors Cup final Standings:
2006-07
UofL- 28th
UK- 45th
2007-08
UofL- 32nd
UK- 36th
2008-09
UofL- 32nd
UK- 34th
2010-11
UofL- 34th
UK- 36th
Should never happen. Ever. Speaks volumes about what were doing here with limited sports. Enjoy the show from your couch.
2006-07
UofL- 28th
UK- 45th
2007-08
UofL- 32nd
UK- 36th
2008-09
UofL- 32nd
UK- 34th
2010-11
UofL- 34th
UK- 36th
Should never happen. Ever. Speaks volumes about what were doing here with limited sports. Enjoy the show from your couch.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:28 pm to ACCcards
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So in other words 6th place in the ACC and MOST years 6th place in the $EC.
No, what I am trying to get across is you will fall farther down when you are in a better conference. The Big East was a great conference but it was a basketball heavy conference. Cards could do well in other sports as there were not as many mid level schools to really could beat up on you in the course of a season. What is not sinking in yet is there is a big difference between a 2 loss season and a 6 loss one. In the ACC you will have more opportunity to lose and it will change your current dynamics.
I am not suggesting you will be at the bottom but you will most probably have a harder time staying at the top. The schools already ahead of you will probably stay ahead of you but the ones below you may pass you up in 2014 when you attain full membership. UK is sitting at #22 in the Directors Cup but they are already in the SEC and used to the competition in the conference. They may go up but they conversely will probably not fall much lower as this was a bad year for them in both football and basketball.
Again, you are projecting this years results on future years when the competition will be tougher and the future is much more cloudy. UK is a charter member in their conference so they already have an established seat at the table. The Cards will have to carve out a seat at the expense of another older and more established ACC school. Good luck with that and do not be surprised if you are at the kiddie table once you sit down with your new family.
Also, keep in mind that the more sports you add the less money is available for football and basketball. The advantage you maintain by focusing resources to limited sports will be lost every time you add a sport. While I can appreciate your optimism you are failing to temper it with the new realities. Cards had a big seat at the Big East table but that seat shrinks greatly when schools like UNC and Notre Dame are ahead of you and not in a mood to see you get ahead of them.
You know what they say about pride going before a fall.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:36 pm to ACCcards
Yeah, although the ACC isn't much better in football.
Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Miami, There are 5 or 6 top 25 teams every season in that bunch. Then you have teams like UNC, Pitt, Syracuse, NC State that will pop in once in a blue moon. That is a HUGE upgrade from UCONN, Rutgers, Cincinnati and zero top 25 teams.
I give Louisville some credit, they have had a good year. Football is the hardest to give credit, just because of the awful schedule they play. Put them in the SEC east and they go 6-6 at best.
Impossible to say. Id say 7-5 or 8-4 with a little luck. We won more games in the $EC last year than UK, Tennessee and Auburn combined. LMAO!
Why Florida didn't show up is still a mystery to me.
Come on dude. Don't go there. That is the most pathetic excuse out there. Almost as bad as blaming the refs for a loss. Anybody that watch even 5 MINUTES of that game saw a Florida team that flew around laying licks like they were playing LSU. They didn't just come to play, they came to hurt us. I saw a Florida team get frustrated and fall apart when we punched them in the mouth and didn't back down. They were starting fights with us, throwing dirty hits, ripping off face masks, you name it. Yeah definitely looked like a team that didn't care to win. Beat it with that lame crap. Even the announcers made a comment about it saying "If there was any doubt Florida didnt come to play, I think we can forget it". I believe it was after the lick on Teddy that knocked his helmet off. We kicked their arse up and down the field from the opening drive till the end of the game. Wasnt even a contest.
Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Miami, There are 5 or 6 top 25 teams every season in that bunch. Then you have teams like UNC, Pitt, Syracuse, NC State that will pop in once in a blue moon. That is a HUGE upgrade from UCONN, Rutgers, Cincinnati and zero top 25 teams.
I give Louisville some credit, they have had a good year. Football is the hardest to give credit, just because of the awful schedule they play. Put them in the SEC east and they go 6-6 at best.
Impossible to say. Id say 7-5 or 8-4 with a little luck. We won more games in the $EC last year than UK, Tennessee and Auburn combined. LMAO!
Why Florida didn't show up is still a mystery to me.
Come on dude. Don't go there. That is the most pathetic excuse out there. Almost as bad as blaming the refs for a loss. Anybody that watch even 5 MINUTES of that game saw a Florida team that flew around laying licks like they were playing LSU. They didn't just come to play, they came to hurt us. I saw a Florida team get frustrated and fall apart when we punched them in the mouth and didn't back down. They were starting fights with us, throwing dirty hits, ripping off face masks, you name it. Yeah definitely looked like a team that didn't care to win. Beat it with that lame crap. Even the announcers made a comment about it saying "If there was any doubt Florida didnt come to play, I think we can forget it". I believe it was after the lick on Teddy that knocked his helmet off. We kicked their arse up and down the field from the opening drive till the end of the game. Wasnt even a contest.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:42 pm to Cheese Grits
Grits you know whats so funny? Everything you just posted we have heard for the past 30 years. EVERYTHING. "Wait till you get to conference so and so, then you will nosedive". Every single conference we have moved to has been an upgrade from the previous. Here's a fun fact for you, we have left the past 3 conferences in the same fashion....on the very top. We racked up just as many Big East titles as Notre Dame did.And ALL we heard before leaving Conference USA was, just wait till you get to the Big East. You can kiss so and so goodbye. It has yet to happen.
With better conference affiliation comes more money, better recruits, easier sell, better tickets sales...you name it. Mark my words, take a screen shot, do what you have to. We will dominate the ACC like we did the Big East. Tom Jurich will make damn sure of it.
With better conference affiliation comes more money, better recruits, easier sell, better tickets sales...you name it. Mark my words, take a screen shot, do what you have to. We will dominate the ACC like we did the Big East. Tom Jurich will make damn sure of it.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 9:31 pm to ACCcards
Sooo... tell me. Who has the best recruiting class, even with you coming off of your Sugar Bowl win?
You don't even have a 4* player.
You don't even have a 4* player.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 9:34 pm to ACCcards
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With better conference affiliation comes more money, better recruits, easier sell, better tickets sales...you name it. Mark my words, take a screen shot, do what you have to. We will dominate the ACC like we did the Big East. Tom Jurich will make damn sure of it.
It helps that you've got a wunderkind AD in Tom Jurich. The man's a wizard. The SEC should go after him as Commissioner when Slive retires.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 6/11/13 at 5:58 am to genro
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We need more Louisville fans on the rant
They're kinda amusing, in a trashy sort of way. I can see how they would get old quickly though.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 6:45 am to UofLCards83
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In fact our Athletic Director Tom Jurich has said multiple times that he has contacted every school in a BCS conference regarding home and home series, and very few schools will play us.
Oh, and in case you've gotten the idea that it's because anyone is 'scared' to play Louisville, let me reassure you. It's not.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 8:32 am to ACCcards
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Everything you just posted we have heard for the past 30 years. EVERYTHING. "Wait till you get to conference so and so, then you will nosedive". Every single conference we have moved to has been an upgrade from the previous.
Here is the Cards conference history :
1912-1913 Independent
1914-1916 Kentucky Intercollegiate Athletic Association
1914-1941 Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association
1942-1945 Independent
1946-1947 Kentucky Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
1948-1948 Ohio Valley Conference
1949-1963 Independent
1964-1974 Missouri Valley Conference
1975-1977 Division I Independent
1978-1995 Division I-A Independent
1996-2004 Conference USA
2005-2013 Big East Conference
2013-2014 American Athletic Conference
2014-xxxx Atlantic Coast Conference
Basically that is a bunch of lateral moves in non football conferences. Never once was Louisville a member of the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Big 8, SWC, PAC, or SEC. Nor were they a powerful Independent school in the days of powerful IND schools like Penn State and Florida State. Even if you look at the Metro days, look at the MNC's won by that conference during your time there:
Georgia Tech 1975 - 1979 (left for ACC) = NONE
St. Louis 1975-1982 (CUSA type school) = NONE
Cincinnati 1975-1991 (CUSA type school) = NONE
Memphis 1975-1991 (CUSA type school) = NONE
Louisville 1975-1995 (CUSA type school) = NONE
Tulane 1975-1995 (CUSA type school) = NONE
Florida State 1976-1991 (left for ACC) = NONE
Virginia Tech 1979-1995 (left for ACC) = NONE
Southern Miss 1982-1995 (CUSA type school) = NONE
South Carolina 1983-1991 (left for SEC) = NONE
Notice a trend?
Of all those schools the two that stand out are Florida State and South Carolina. Florida State did well in their early membership in the ACC and won 2 MNC's but fell off the radar when the ACC went to 12 schools. South Carolina took about 20 years in the SEC and are just now getting to the top. In that period they had (2) Hall of Fame coaches in Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier plus SEC money for 20 years to build with. Basically the ACC is the worst of the 5 chairs at the adult football table but they are still much better than the Metro / CUSA / Big East football crowd.
What you consider major upgrades over the past 30 years are really not major upgrades at all. Call it what it really is - the Cards have been making lateral moves among a bunch of 2nd tier conferences.
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With better conference affiliation comes more money, better recruits, easier sell, better tickets sales...you name it.
Ha Ha, sure FSU and Clemson are football schools and VPI has Beamer Ball (he can't coach forever) but after that who in the ACC travels for football?
Here are the numbers for ACC schools (Division and cross rival schools in BOLD) :
Solid numbers (teams that may should well - 3 of 15 schools)
Clemson 81,427 + Notre Dame 80,795 + Florida State 75,601 + Virginia Tech 65,632
(I will bet when / if you play Notre Dame it will not be in the Pizza Pit if it seats 55K but at a ND friendly neutral site or in South Bend)
Respectable numbers (teams that may travel - 2 of 15 teams)
North Carolina State 54,106 + North Carolina 50,286 + Louisville 49,991
(you can not count your traveling fans when you are playing at home)
Suspeect numbers (teams that probably will NOT travel - 8 of 15 teams)
Miami FL 47,719
Virginia 46,650
Georgia Tech 43,955
Pittsburgh 41,494
Syracuse 37,953
Boston College 37,020
Wake Forest 29,912
Duke 28,170
(Over half of the conference are terrible fans for travel)
As for the UL basketball future :
Rick Pitino came to UL in the spring of 2001 and has been there 13 years now. At that rate of 1 NCAA banner every 13 years Rick (who would be 73 by then) will be gone before UL hangs another banner. And this is with him moving to a conference that has hung (6) banners in that same time (Duke x 2, North Carolina x 2, Maryland, and Syracuse) during that same 13 years.
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 8:40 am
Posted on 6/11/13 at 8:39 am to Cheese Grits
Breaking that last post into 2nd part
If only 20% of your conference travels well it will not make up for the other 80% that will be a boat anchor on your attendance numbers. Even now Papa Johns is having attendance numbers when the Cards are winning 10 games a season. What happens if UK stops playing UL and you lose your best selling game? What happens when 8 schools in your new conference do not buy tickets at Papa Johns? What happens when the Cards start going 6-6 or 7-5 and those attendance numbers head south?
If UK has a 70K stadium it will sell well because more than 20% of the SEC schools travel well. This is not exactly rocket science here. I know you guys are drinking the Cardinal Koolaid this season (and rightfully so) but what happens when the rocket rise of last year is followed by a rocket nose dive?
Last year was a fantastic year for UL but look at the home game attendance numbers :
3:30 PM - Kentucky : 55,386 = 386 over capacity
3:30 PM - Missouri State : 47,553 = 7,447 below capacity (- 13.54%)
3:30 PM - North Carolina : 53,334 = 1,666 below capacity (- 3.03%)
3:30 PM - South Florida : 50,167 = 4,833 below capacity (- 8.79%)
8:00 PM - Cincinnati (Keg of Nails) : 53,271 = 1,729 below capacity (- 3.14%)
12:00 PM - Temple : 44,609 = 10,391 below capacity (- 18.89%)
12:00 PM - Connecticut : 45,618 = 9,328 below capacity (- 17.06%)
Here were the numbers for your new conference mates on the road from last season :
11:00 AM @ Pittsburgh = 42,432 (12,568 below PJS capacity)
12:00 PM @ Syracuse = 40,312 (14,688 below PJS capacity)
Here are the numbers for the previous year :
6:00 PM - Murray State : 46,157 = 8,843 below capacity (- 16.08%)
8:00 PM - Florida International : 47,228 = 7,772 below capacity (- 14.13%)
3:30 PM - Marshall : 53,267 = 1,733 below capacity (- 3.15%)
8:00 PM - Rutgers : 48,435 = 6,565 below capacity (- 11.94%)
12:00PM - Syracuse : 44,817 = 10,183 below capacity (- 18.51%)
12:00 PM - Pittsburgh : 51,321 = 3,688 below capacity (- 6.71%)
Here were the numbers for your new conference mates on the road from last season :
12:00 PM @ North Carolina : 51,500 (3,500 below PJS capacity)
8:00 PM vs North Carolina State (Belk Bowl) : 58,427 (3,427 above PJS capacity)
If only 20% of your conference travels well it will not make up for the other 80% that will be a boat anchor on your attendance numbers. Even now Papa Johns is having attendance numbers when the Cards are winning 10 games a season. What happens if UK stops playing UL and you lose your best selling game? What happens when 8 schools in your new conference do not buy tickets at Papa Johns? What happens when the Cards start going 6-6 or 7-5 and those attendance numbers head south?
If UK has a 70K stadium it will sell well because more than 20% of the SEC schools travel well. This is not exactly rocket science here. I know you guys are drinking the Cardinal Koolaid this season (and rightfully so) but what happens when the rocket rise of last year is followed by a rocket nose dive?
Last year was a fantastic year for UL but look at the home game attendance numbers :
3:30 PM - Kentucky : 55,386 = 386 over capacity
3:30 PM - Missouri State : 47,553 = 7,447 below capacity (- 13.54%)
3:30 PM - North Carolina : 53,334 = 1,666 below capacity (- 3.03%)
3:30 PM - South Florida : 50,167 = 4,833 below capacity (- 8.79%)
8:00 PM - Cincinnati (Keg of Nails) : 53,271 = 1,729 below capacity (- 3.14%)
12:00 PM - Temple : 44,609 = 10,391 below capacity (- 18.89%)
12:00 PM - Connecticut : 45,618 = 9,328 below capacity (- 17.06%)
Here were the numbers for your new conference mates on the road from last season :
11:00 AM @ Pittsburgh = 42,432 (12,568 below PJS capacity)
12:00 PM @ Syracuse = 40,312 (14,688 below PJS capacity)
Here are the numbers for the previous year :
6:00 PM - Murray State : 46,157 = 8,843 below capacity (- 16.08%)
8:00 PM - Florida International : 47,228 = 7,772 below capacity (- 14.13%)
3:30 PM - Marshall : 53,267 = 1,733 below capacity (- 3.15%)
8:00 PM - Rutgers : 48,435 = 6,565 below capacity (- 11.94%)
12:00PM - Syracuse : 44,817 = 10,183 below capacity (- 18.51%)
12:00 PM - Pittsburgh : 51,321 = 3,688 below capacity (- 6.71%)
Here were the numbers for your new conference mates on the road from last season :
12:00 PM @ North Carolina : 51,500 (3,500 below PJS capacity)
8:00 PM vs North Carolina State (Belk Bowl) : 58,427 (3,427 above PJS capacity)
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 9:02 am
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:13 am to Cheese Grits
Cheese Grits...what the he!! dude Attendance doesn't = championships dude. If it did, Michigan, Tennessee, Ohio State and Penn State would be the only ones winning national titles. 
I noticed that you left off what you guys averaged in attendance last year in Commonsmell Stadium. Would you be so nice to report those figures here?
Attendance doesn't = championships dude. If it did, Michigan, Tennessee, Ohio State and Penn State would be the only ones winning national titles. I noticed that you left off what you guys averaged in attendance last year in Commonsmell Stadium. Would you be so nice to report those figures here?
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:36 am to Alanin502
Grits, you have WAAAAY too much time on your hands. I found myself beginning to speed read through that mess. The ACC will be our final resting spot.I couldn't think of a better possible home as far as academics, proximity to foes, and overall athletic success. The funniest part of all that mess was assuming that since Pitino has one title in 13 years that he wont win another for 13 years. LMAO! WOW. Um don't look now but we are preseason #2 or #3 in every preseason poll you'll find. That is the most ridiculous assumption I think I may have ever read on any message board. Billy Donavan, a Pitino protege and disciple, didn't win his first title at Florida till his 10th season. He didn't win his second title till....oh...the following season. Never mind. Ridiculous. Pitino taught Billy D everything he knows...yet Billy is 0-7 against Pitino in games. If the student can do it, the teacher WILL do it. We return 76% of our scoring from our Championship team last year. Stay tuned.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:39 am to ACCcards
I noticed that you left off what you guys averaged in attendance last year in Commonsmell Stadium. Would you be so nice to report those figures here?
You cant go by what UK officials report as far as attendance. They have inflated their numbers since the beginning of time...and got busted on it. Read this dandy. Hilarious.
Inflated figures
You cant go by what UK officials report as far as attendance. They have inflated their numbers since the beginning of time...and got busted on it. Read this dandy. Hilarious.
Inflated figures
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:41 am to ACCcards
33 pages of Commonwealth BS?
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:44 am to parkjas2001
It's a football program cripple fight of epic proportions.
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