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re: Louisville - did the SEC miss out?

Posted on 6/9/13 at 12:04 am to
Posted by USMC Gators
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Posted on 6/9/13 at 12:04 am to
That still doesn't make it right.
As bad as 1941 is for Alabama, at least they still got a selection at the time.
Posted by CatFan81
Decatur, GA
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 6/9/13 at 12:07 am to
Either way, you wont find it in CWS.

I'm done with this thread though. Louisville fans are sad and pathetic as usual. I'm watching the Braves.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/9/13 at 1:08 am to
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Oh and BTW USMC Gator, I figured I would respond to your schedule smack comment awhile back. Do you really want to go there?


And yet you guys never responded to mine. Cat got your tongue?



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UF hasn't played a non conference game outside the state of Florida since 1991!!



And yet the Gators play an SEC schedule EVERY year + Florida State EVERY year and Miami (FL) and the other FL schools as well. Seriously dude, Gators have enough good teams in the state to never have to leave it. What a dumbass you are.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/9/13 at 1:11 am to
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Rather have had them, FSU, UNC and UVA than Mizzou.... But once again, $$$ drives the expansion... Huge St. Louis media market...


KC market too.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/9/13 at 1:24 am to
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No one ever said Rick Pitino was perfect, he made a horrible mistake. The fact is he was still at UK and was still winning you wouldn't have cared. At first I wanted Pitino fired, but after hearing more about Karen Sypher and seeing him handle it made me want to give him another chance. Pitino is not perfect, far from it, but at least he admitted to his mistakes. Pition made a mistake with one woman, Rupp made a mistake with an entire race. Did Adolph Rupp every apologize for his racist past?


So much fail in this post it is amazing

a) Pitino did not make a mistake with just 1 woman
b) What was in the press was not the full story and I know this from knowing more about the people that you do
c) Cardinal fans allowed the media spin to shape their position because the Cards were winning

as for Rupp being a racist

a) He was from Kansas - a free state
b) He coached in the north prior to UK
c) Here is a picture from the 1927 - 1928 basketball team in Illinois
(note color of player in the center and the coach on the right)
Yes, that is Rupp coaching a black player in the 1920's



Game , set, and match
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/9/13 at 1:43 am to
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We contacted Alabama, Texas A&M and Wisconsin.


They have their pick of teams to play. You're not high on their priority list.


The issue is ticket sales. Alabama has a stadium seating over 100,000 as does Penn State. Guess what, Bama and Penn State have been playing each other home and home for years. Cards can not demand the same home and home status if they have a stadium that seats about half of that and have a history of not traveling well for regular season games then why would any top AD take that leap with UL?

Most of the SEC venues seat 75,000 fans or more (Vols, Bama, LSU, and TAMU in the near future are all in the 100,000 seat range) so what does UL bring to the table scheduling when they have such a small venue? If the Cards expand the Pizza Pit to 75,000 or 100,000 seats you would be surprised how many top schools will schedule you as it will show you have a strong enough demand in your home market (Louisville) to support it.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/9/13 at 1:56 am to
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I'll give you one thing BluegrassBelle, those pre World War II UK teams really beat up our intramural UofL teams. Such an accomplishment.


Son, get you head out of your arse and actually study some history

Both UK and UK were in the SIAA (the mother conference to both the ACC and SEC)

Kentucky : 1895–1903, 1911–1922 (left to join the SoCon then the SEC)
Louisville : 1914–1941

Glad to know you think so little of your Cards you are unaware they were in the first "superconference" in college sports and think it was just an intramural team. Are you even a UofL graduate or just some sidewalk Card fan?
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 6/9/13 at 2:26 am to
Hi.

Before you scroll up, know that this is a cripple fight, except for basketball. And KY wins that by a land-motherfricking-slide.

Carry on.
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5343 posts
Posted on 6/9/13 at 8:07 am to
When did this thread become two cousins fighting over their sister?

Yeah, I said it the way I meant it!
This post was edited on 6/9/13 at 8:07 am
Posted by ACCcards
Member since Jun 2013
93 posts
Posted on 6/9/13 at 8:21 am to
USMC Gators, go to ANY uk message board and they will sincerely claim to be 1950 National Champions without batting an eye. Bowl games back then were mere exhibitions. The final polls came out a month before the game. OU did not enter that game thinking their national title was on the line. It was purely for entertainment. We Louisville fans just point and laugh.
Posted by PepaSpray
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Posted on 6/9/13 at 8:43 am to
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No
oh hell no. Louisville is out of the question. Hell to the naw
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/9/13 at 8:57 am to
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Bowl games back then were mere exhibitions.


Not sure I agree with this as Maryland's 1951 National Championship was based on defeating Tennessee in the Sugar Bowl that year. In total, Maryland won 22 straight games from 1950 to 1952, which remains the longest winning streak in program history.

Maryland finished as the nation's only untied, undefeated team that had played a ten-game schedule. The final wire service rankings, however, were released prior to the bowl games at the time. Therefore, Maryland held a final ranking as the number-three team in the nation, behind first-ranked Tennessee (10–1) and second-ranked Michigan State (9–0). To date, the 1951 Terrapins remain Maryland's only undefeated, untied team of the modern era.

Several championship selectors have retroactively named Maryland the 1951 national champions. These include the following NCAA-recognized sources: Jeff Sagarin's computer ranking system, the College Football Researchers Association, the DeVold System, the Dunkel System, and the National Championship Foundation. In 2002, The Washington Post called the 1951 season the greatest in Maryland football history, ranking it above the 1953 national championship team. The season saw Maryland compile its first (and, to date, only) undefeated, untied season since 1893.



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The final polls came out a month before the game.


Which is why the UK game in 1950 and the MD game in 1951 led directly to the revision of the old method of polling to the modern practice releasing the final poll after the bowl games. The coaches poll (which later became a mainstay of ranking was first released in 1950. In case this is hard for you to understand, the UK vs OU game was held the same season the coaches poll first began. The system we now take for granted of polling after the bowls is young when compared to the history of college football and did not become official till the late 1960's after several years of going back and forth on the appropriate method.



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We Louisville fans just point and laugh.


Sounds like whistling past the graveyard to me as Louisville has never been in such a game. However, here is the 1951 Louisville schedule where the Cards went 5-4. Looks like a real tough schedule they played :

1 Sept. 29 @ Wayne State Win 28 12 1-0
2 Oct. 5 Boston University Loss 7 39 1-1
3 Oct. 13 @ Cincinnati Loss 0 38 1-2
4 Oct. 19 Xavier Loss 6 47 1-3
5 Oct. 27 @ St. Bonaventure University Loss 21 22 1-4
6 Nov. 2 North Carolina State Win 26 2 2-4
7 Nov. 10 Houston Win 35 28 3-4
8 Nov. 17 Washington & Lee University Win 14 7 4-4
9 Nov. 23 Southern Mississippi Win 14 13 5-4

Here was the UK schedule from the same season

1 Sept. 15 Tennessee Tech Win 72 13 1-0
2 Sept. 22 at Texas Loss 6 7 1-1
3 Sept. 29 at Mississippi Loss 17 21 1-2
4 Oct. 6 #11 Georgia Tech Loss 7 13 1-3 (Yellow Jackets were still in the SEC that year)
5 Oct. 13 Mississippi State Win 27 0 2-3
6 Oct. 20 #12 Villanova Win 35 13 3-3
7 Oct. 27 Florida Win 14 6 4-3
8 Nov. 3 #19 Miami, Florida Win 32 0 5-3
9 Nov. 10 Tulane Win 37 0 6-3 (Green Wave were still in the SEC that year)
10 Nov. 17 George Washington Win 47 13 7-3
11 Nov. 24 at #1 Tennessee Loss 0 28 7-4
11 Jan. 1 #11 Texas Christian Win 20 7 8-4

I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but even a simply country boy like myself can see the difference between a school that plays (5) ranked teams in a season vs a team that plays (0) so the Cards have a long history of playing weak schedules. It is a whole lot easier to be a 10-2 (last season) when you did not play (1) ranked team during the entire regular season.
Posted by ACCcards
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/9/13 at 9:22 am to
Ill make this simple. No need for an essay.


Posted by ACCcards
Member since Jun 2013
93 posts
Posted on 6/9/13 at 9:23 am to
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I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed



Yes. Yes we know.
Posted by ACCcards
Member since Jun 2013
93 posts
Posted on 6/9/13 at 9:26 am to
How about we talk about Uk's legacy in their bread and butter sport of basketball. A program that has built it's empire off beating up football programs disguised as basketball teams. Yes we have only been in the Big East for 8 years now...but we play a top 5 schedule EVERY SINGLE SEASON and some years THE top schedule. Do you see us thumping our chests about it? No. We just go out and win. Meanwhile Uk fans kick and scream about playing a tough football schedule all while never actually competing. See the difference? mmkay good.
Posted by DayBowBow
Member since Jun 2011
5060 posts
Posted on 6/9/13 at 9:35 am to
I came to the SEC Rant to get away from Louisville fans. Now even this place tainted, it smells like Axe Body Spray.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60973 posts
Posted on 6/9/13 at 9:36 am to
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Yes. Yes we know.


Are you using the royal "we" or is there a mouse in your pocket?

Using your LINK comes this nugget.

Starting in 1950, the United Press (later UPI) began the "coaches' poll". "Thirty-five of the nation's foremost football coaches will rate the country's top collegiate football teams each week for the United Press this coming season," an announcement stated, with "five coaches from each section of the country-- the east, midlands, midwest, Pacific coast, the Rockies, south and southwest". The UP added, referring to the AP writers' poll, "The nature of the board giving each section of the country equal representation avoids the sectional bias and ballot box stuffing for which other football polls have been criticized.". The coaches named Notre Dame as the #1 team in the first UP poll, with 25 of the 35 first place votes.

Generally, the top teams played on New Year's Day in the four major postseason bowl games: the Rose Bowl (near Los Angeles at Pasadena), the Sugar Bowl (New Orleans), the Orange Bowl (Miami), and the Cotton Bowl (Dallas).


Sidestep the issue all you like but UK played in a major bowl in an era where there were not all these "everybody gets a ribbon" bowls.

ps, you never did answer the question if you were actually a alumni from UofL with a conferred degree or just another UofL sidewalk fan. Please clarify your status for folks on the Rant.
Posted by ACCcards
Member since Jun 2013
93 posts
Posted on 6/9/13 at 9:38 am to
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It is a whole lot easier to be a 10-2 (last season) when you did not play (1) ranked team during the entire regular season.



I guess that doesn't matter then considering we stomped a mudhole in the #3 team in the nation on national tv in the Sugar Bowl. Congrats on your tough schdule!!! The Sugar Bowl trophy looks wonderful in our case.
Posted by ACCcards
Member since Jun 2013
93 posts
Posted on 6/9/13 at 9:47 am to
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ps, you never did answer the question if you were actually a alumni from UofL with a conferred degree or just another UofL sidewalk fan. Please clarify your status for folks on the Rant.


I never saw your question. Yes I have my undergrad in business and marketing. Our business school is actually one of the best in the nation by U.S. News & World Report, The Princeton Review, Bloomberg Business Week, and Fortune Small Business Magazine. I was born and raised here. I am married with two children. My favorite color is red and I enjoy long walks on the beach, candle lit dinners and reading poetry. Now back to sports please.
Posted by ACCcards
Member since Jun 2013
93 posts
Posted on 6/9/13 at 9:48 am to
Cheese Grits what team are you a fan of if you dont mind me asking.
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