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Posted on 9/2/12 at 2:38 pm to boXerrumble
TeLeFaWx- Why don't you let us play a game before predicting doom Nostradamus?
Yes, this game will probably be a cluster for the first half at least.
Yes, this game will probably be a cluster for the first half at least.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 2:39 pm to Bob Ag
Let's go Aggies! Will be rooting for you guys and Mizzou this next cfb weekend 
Posted on 9/2/12 at 2:53 pm to Bob Ag
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TeLeFaWx- Why don't you let us play a game before predicting doom Nostradamus?
I mean. I think it will be a blow out, but I also think Muschamp doesn't last too long at Florida because he is a terrible coach. Something must give. Lemme just put it this way, whoever wins, it will be a result of how they aren't as bad as the other team, no one will do anything to prove to me they are a good team. Unless Trey Williams starts breaking peoples' ankles left and right. Still think he has an outside chance at SEC Freshman of the Year. That kid is the real deal.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 3:05 pm to TeLeFaWx
You do realize we are favored to win the game, right?
Posted on 9/2/12 at 3:07 pm to TeLeFaWx
Let the AgSwag era begin!! frick yea I'm so excited for this game!!!!
Posted on 9/2/12 at 3:58 pm to TeLeFaWx
Wow, you are a serious half glass empty kind of guy aren't you?
I'm not a kool aid drinker, I just know what I saw in those scrimmages. Harris stuck to his man like glue. Everett about put Sabian Holmes in the hospital. Where we struggled is with the 2nd team and guys like Dustin Harris whom I actually expected to be our best DB and he is probably our #5. The scheme Synyder runs is far less complex than DeReuter and that is why guys like Everett and Dev Harris are shining. It is a lot more man press coverage instead of complex zones that got picked apart if we didn't get to the QB.
I do think you are correct that Porter will get fewer sacks this year but he has looked great in pass coverage. He is a natural OLB in a 4/3 set. He can certainly blitz but that he can do a lot more than that. Moore should get just as many sacks if not more. He was the only one that consistently could give Joekel problems and get sacks from that side.
I just disagree with you on strengths and weaknesses on our OL and every writeup I have seen agrees with me.
I was at the OSU game and while the safety did make it a one point game we were certainly in it. We were up by 2 TD's at half. While the Blackmon fumble was big the McNeal fumble was equally as devastating for us. That game certainly could have gone either way. Also, the 12th Man factor was somewhat limited because of the speed of the OSU offense. They were snapping the ball at a ridiculous pace that they played at and their conditioning. UF plays a traditional huddle offense and a loud crowd will have more of an effect, especially because they don't have a 26 year old QB. Does that mean we will win or that UF will crap their pants? Of course not. It's just not a good comp to put a team like OSU had last season compared to UF. Outside of the time of the game the comparisons are pretty much all different. BTW, weather reports look like it won't be that hot.
I've seen plenty of Aggie teams in the last 10 years that were destined for failure because of lack of talent. This just isn't one of them. We have had defenses with walk ons starting in recent years and not because they were talented, we just didn't have anything. We had no speed and little size. While this isn't the WC of '91 or anything this defense should be at least average.
I'm not a kool aid drinker, I just know what I saw in those scrimmages. Harris stuck to his man like glue. Everett about put Sabian Holmes in the hospital. Where we struggled is with the 2nd team and guys like Dustin Harris whom I actually expected to be our best DB and he is probably our #5. The scheme Synyder runs is far less complex than DeReuter and that is why guys like Everett and Dev Harris are shining. It is a lot more man press coverage instead of complex zones that got picked apart if we didn't get to the QB.
I do think you are correct that Porter will get fewer sacks this year but he has looked great in pass coverage. He is a natural OLB in a 4/3 set. He can certainly blitz but that he can do a lot more than that. Moore should get just as many sacks if not more. He was the only one that consistently could give Joekel problems and get sacks from that side.
I just disagree with you on strengths and weaknesses on our OL and every writeup I have seen agrees with me.
I was at the OSU game and while the safety did make it a one point game we were certainly in it. We were up by 2 TD's at half. While the Blackmon fumble was big the McNeal fumble was equally as devastating for us. That game certainly could have gone either way. Also, the 12th Man factor was somewhat limited because of the speed of the OSU offense. They were snapping the ball at a ridiculous pace that they played at and their conditioning. UF plays a traditional huddle offense and a loud crowd will have more of an effect, especially because they don't have a 26 year old QB. Does that mean we will win or that UF will crap their pants? Of course not. It's just not a good comp to put a team like OSU had last season compared to UF. Outside of the time of the game the comparisons are pretty much all different. BTW, weather reports look like it won't be that hot.
I've seen plenty of Aggie teams in the last 10 years that were destined for failure because of lack of talent. This just isn't one of them. We have had defenses with walk ons starting in recent years and not because they were talented, we just didn't have anything. We had no speed and little size. While this isn't the WC of '91 or anything this defense should be at least average.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 4:12 pm to TeLeFaWx
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He's fast, but he is about 160 pounds, and bound to make mistakes. I don't see why anyone would be excited about an undersized true fish at corner, regardless of how fast he is.
He's 175+ per Sumlin. Kid's put on some really good weight very quickly.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 4:16 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Average. Not bad, but certainly not great. He wouldn't start for a lot of SEC teams.
Re: Shaz Everett.
I'll defer to Sumlin's opinion of him over yours. He said the kid could play anywhere in the country. Now I realize play anywhere =/= start anywhere, but I think you can safely assume that means he's at least a solid contributor anywhere. You just don't throw out that kind of effusive praise for nominal consideration.
He's also a true soph who didn't start last year. So of course you can't expect to denote him as "great" yet. Based off everything we've heard, there's no reason to expect an average, forgettable performance from Shaz this year.
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Posted on 9/2/12 at 4:27 pm to DWag215
Line of scrimmage on both sides was not impressive for UF. If UF has those same issues against the Aggies especially on D line, the Aggies are going to run the football down UF's throat.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 4:31 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
UF's going to run the ball on A&M. We have no depth on the line. And that's not hyperbolic. By "no depth" I mean our 2s and 3s in the inside are comprised of 270 lbs. true fish.
Same is true for LB. we've got some starters that are nice, but damn, the talent or experience just isn't there after that.
Same is true for LB. we've got some starters that are nice, but damn, the talent or experience just isn't there after that.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 4:46 pm to DWag215
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Our defense is really really really bad this year.
This is NOT the same defense.. I actually think it would be hard pressed not to be considerably better with all the new additions and changes.
However, an improvement does not = good.. My hope is that Fla is as bad as they looked =)
Posted on 9/2/12 at 4:50 pm to Sig
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This is NOT the same defense.. I actually think it would be hard pressed not to be considerably better with all the new additions and changes.
Well the stats will certainly look better than 2011's. You have to remember, we played something like 5 of the top 15 Os last year. And I want to say BU, OSU, and Ark were all top 5 if not top 10 in passing alone.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 4:51 pm to Big Kat
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You do realize we are favored to win the game, right?
Had no idea. Doesn't make much of a difference to me.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 5:05 pm to aggressor
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Wow, you are a serious half glass empty kind of guy aren't you?
I'm not a kool aid drinker, I just know what I saw in those scrimmages. Harris stuck to his man like glue. Everett about put Sabian Holmes in the hospital. Where we struggled is with the 2nd team and guys like Dustin Harris whom I actually expected to be our best DB and he is probably our #5. The scheme Synyder runs is far less complex than DeReuter and that is why guys like Everett and Dev Harris are shining. It is a lot more man press coverage instead of complex zones that got picked apart if we didn't get to the QB.
I do think you are correct that Porter will get fewer sacks this year but he has looked great in pass coverage. He is a natural OLB in a 4/3 set. He can certainly blitz but that he can do a lot more than that. Moore should get just as many sacks if not more. He was the only one that consistently could give Joekel problems and get sacks from that side.
I just disagree with you on strengths and weaknesses on our OL and every writeup I have seen agrees with me.
I was at the OSU game and while the safety did make it a one point game we were certainly in it. We were up by 2 TD's at half. While the Blackmon fumble was big the McNeal fumble was equally as devastating for us. That game certainly could have gone either way. Also, the 12th Man factor was somewhat limited because of the speed of the OSU offense. They were snapping the ball at a ridiculous pace that they played at and their conditioning. UF plays a traditional huddle offense and a loud crowd will have more of an effect, especially because they don't have a 26 year old QB. Does that mean we will win or that UF will crap their pants? Of course not. It's just not a good comp to put a team like OSU had last season compared to UF. Outside of the time of the game the comparisons are pretty much all different. BTW, weather reports look like it won't be that hot.
I've seen plenty of Aggie teams in the last 10 years that were destined for failure because of lack of talent. This just isn't one of them. We have had defenses with walk ons starting in recent years and not because they were talented, we just didn't have anything. We had no speed and little size. While this isn't the WC of '91 or anything this defense should be at least average.
I saw the scrimmages as well. Harris was good, but definitely didn't look like he was 175 lbs, looked closer to 155. I mean he looked like the best corner in coverage out there, but do you really not think he is undersized? Really?
And what are you talking about press coverage? DeRuyter's corners maybe have been in a zone, but the constant fear of the bubble screen meant that they were almost always pressing the outside receiver. There isn't really a "complex zone" for a corner. It is either short or deep.
Moore might be just as productive, and is a more natural end, we will jut have to see.
What write ups have you seen about our offensive line that say Jarvis is better than Ced-O, and that Matthews' best quality is his run blocking? I read TexAgs, Rivals and 247. Unless Hop is an offensive line guru, I don't see where I could be missing on some inside knowledge, or what write ups agree with you?
I was at the OSU game as well. The McNeal fumble was on the 35. The Blackmon fumble was as he was walking in to the endzone. If you think that was equally as devastating, you need to go look in to a rule book and see what happens to the scoreboard when you cross the endzone with the ball in your hands. And of course we were in it, we were winning, and crumbled. They repeatedly executed in the second half, and we failed to do so. Far more contrasting than how we outplayed them in the first. Far more.
And I've seen plenty of Aggie defenses as well. If you were at the same scrimmages I was, please tell me what you saw because this defense reminds me of Joe Kines. Sure, we had Von Miller on that defense, as well as some future NFLers on the defensive line, as well as Pugh in the secondary who was in the NFL, but the defense was horrible. Absolutely horrible.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 5:05 pm to TeLeFaWx
Wish I could speak with confidence about more of our team, but unfortunately we will just have to see what materializes on the field next weekend.
However, here are the important statistics to let you know a little bit about what IS proven about the A&M team Florida is coming to play in their house:
-Returning offensive line: 4/5 starters, at least three other players who have starts under their belt
-2011 Offensive Line: 9 sacks allowed all season while offense averaged around 90 plays per game
-10 straight games without a holding penalty going into this season, only 2 all season
-2nd in Red Zone efficiency
Say what you will about our inexperience at QB, which is founded, but we return one of the best 3 do-it-all RB's in the SEC, the leading statistical receiver (albeit from Big XII games), and a top 3 OL in the nation at worst, with 1st rounders at the tackle spot that have started since their freshman year. If any team could step into this league and have a chance right off the bat against Florida's fearsome front seven, it's A&M. And that's not being biased.
As for the inexperienced QB, there's no way around inexperience and decision-making in game situations, especially in this new conference of increased size and speed. However, Manziel is better-equipped than most to handle the transition thanks to his OL and his ability to scramble. His 70+ combined TDs in his Sr. Year in HS were not a fluke. Nor was his meteoric rise up the depth chart between spring and now. He's going to take his lumps mentally and physically, but his feet should give him a fighting chance overall.
All that said I expect this game to be an instant classic. There should be 90K in Kyle again for the second time ever, new uniforms and swagger for the Aggies, lots of attention for both teams, and I'm sure a fantastic back-and-forth game. Saturday needs to get here NOW!
However, here are the important statistics to let you know a little bit about what IS proven about the A&M team Florida is coming to play in their house:
-Returning offensive line: 4/5 starters, at least three other players who have starts under their belt
-2011 Offensive Line: 9 sacks allowed all season while offense averaged around 90 plays per game
-10 straight games without a holding penalty going into this season, only 2 all season
-2nd in Red Zone efficiency
Say what you will about our inexperience at QB, which is founded, but we return one of the best 3 do-it-all RB's in the SEC, the leading statistical receiver (albeit from Big XII games), and a top 3 OL in the nation at worst, with 1st rounders at the tackle spot that have started since their freshman year. If any team could step into this league and have a chance right off the bat against Florida's fearsome front seven, it's A&M. And that's not being biased.
As for the inexperienced QB, there's no way around inexperience and decision-making in game situations, especially in this new conference of increased size and speed. However, Manziel is better-equipped than most to handle the transition thanks to his OL and his ability to scramble. His 70+ combined TDs in his Sr. Year in HS were not a fluke. Nor was his meteoric rise up the depth chart between spring and now. He's going to take his lumps mentally and physically, but his feet should give him a fighting chance overall.
All that said I expect this game to be an instant classic. There should be 90K in Kyle again for the second time ever, new uniforms and swagger for the Aggies, lots of attention for both teams, and I'm sure a fantastic back-and-forth game. Saturday needs to get here NOW!
Posted on 9/2/12 at 5:17 pm to Aggie Tex-pat
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Wish I could speak with confidence about more of our team, but unfortunately we will just have to see what materializes on the field next weekend.
However, here are the important statistics to let you know a little bit about what IS proven about the A&M team Florida is coming to play in their house:
-Returning offensive line: 4/5 starters, at least three other players who have starts under their belt
-2011 Offensive Line: 9 sacks allowed all season while offense averaged around 90 plays per game
-10 straight games without a holding penalty going into this season, only 2 all season
-2nd in Red Zone efficiency
Absolutely spot on. To a point. I honestly believe our offensive line is one of the best in the country. That doesn't mean it is being utilized properly. Kliff Kingsbury's offense reacts one way and one way only to teams that stop the run well(LSU, Alabama) it throws the ball at about a 4:1 ratio. It uses wide splits and zone blocking. Look at Mike Sherman's west coast offensive numbers the last three seasons(you can pick 09 and 11 to compare them to Houston's offense). You will see fairly equal total yardage, but you will see a glaring difference in the amount of rushing attempts.
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Say what you will about our inexperience at QB, which is founded, but we return one of the best 3 do-it-all RB's in the SEC, the leading statistical receiver (albeit from Big XII games), and a top 3 OL in the nation at worst, with 1st rounders at the tackle spot that have started since their freshman year. If any team could step into this league and have a chance right off the bat against Florida's fearsome front seven, it's A&M. And that's not being biased.
Look, I don't care how you feel about the Air Raid offense, or how it will work, but of all the offensive systems used in college football, name one, just one, that takes less advantage of a strong running game. That isn't being biased. That is just a fact.
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As for the inexperienced QB, there's no way around inexperience and decision-making in game situations, especially in this new conference of increased size and speed. However, Manziel is better-equipped than most to handle the transition thanks to his OL and his ability to scramble. His 70+ combined TDs in his Sr. Year in HS were not a fluke. Nor was his meteoric rise up the depth chart between spring and now. He's going to take his lumps mentally and physically, but his feet should give him a fighting chance overall.
Let's get one thing straight, overcoming Jamiell Showers was in no way meteoric.
I mean, I'm not saying Manziel will be a failure, but I have seen him make some horrible horrible mistakes and throw some absolute ducks. I watched Johnny's first practice, and I was super excited to see him play, and it looked like a deflated volleyball was coming out of his hand. It was absolutely horrible. That being said, he's a top 3 athlete on the team, without question. In the last scrimmage he almost broke Sean Porter's ankles. He is going to make some electrifying plays with his feet, but he is also going to get himself in to a world of trouble because his decision making isn't there, and his throwing, while improved, is not very good.
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All that said I expect this game to be an instant classic. There should be 90K in Kyle again for the second time ever, new uniforms and swagger for the Aggies, lots of attention for both teams, and I'm sure a fantastic back-and-forth game. Saturday needs to get here NOW!
I hope you're right. I'll be one of the 90k+.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 5:25 pm to TeLeFaWx
I was actually wondering if A&M was going to be utilizing the wide splits in the first game and how that adjustment would effect their o-line and strategy.
Posted on 9/2/12 at 5:30 pm to TeLeFaWx
Here is a recent Non Aggie article on Matthews who considered him equally proficient at run and pass blocking: Joekel #1, Matthews #5
Never said Harrison was better than Ced O, though he has more potential. Dude is huge and Sherm stated several times he was a future 1st Rounder in his opinion. Say what you will about Sherm but he did have a viable opinion on that topic as a former OC, HC, and GM in the NFL.
The point on the McNeal fumble (which was at the end of a long run and catch past the 50 btw) was that it was a huge momentum swing. OSU scored right afterward and it was clear our offense and defense lost their confidence. It was the turning point of the game.
If you honestly think this D resembles the Kines' D I am at a loss. Kines openly admitted we just didn't have any horses and that he had to work on trying to teach players to use angles because they didn't have the speed to keep up with other teams. We had multiple walk ons in the 2 Deep. I remember watching the OU game and watching them roll up 66 on us at Kyle almost as easily as they rolled up 77 on the '03 team. We gave up more than 40 to 7 teams that year. You really think we are that bad? Really?
Never said Harrison was better than Ced O, though he has more potential. Dude is huge and Sherm stated several times he was a future 1st Rounder in his opinion. Say what you will about Sherm but he did have a viable opinion on that topic as a former OC, HC, and GM in the NFL.
The point on the McNeal fumble (which was at the end of a long run and catch past the 50 btw) was that it was a huge momentum swing. OSU scored right afterward and it was clear our offense and defense lost their confidence. It was the turning point of the game.
If you honestly think this D resembles the Kines' D I am at a loss. Kines openly admitted we just didn't have any horses and that he had to work on trying to teach players to use angles because they didn't have the speed to keep up with other teams. We had multiple walk ons in the 2 Deep. I remember watching the OU game and watching them roll up 66 on us at Kyle almost as easily as they rolled up 77 on the '03 team. We gave up more than 40 to 7 teams that year. You really think we are that bad? Really?
Posted on 9/2/12 at 5:32 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I mean, I'm not saying Manziel will be a failure, but I have seen him make some horrible horrible mistakes and throw some absolute ducks.
After the debacle with Brantley and the questions surrounding Driskel, I think you are smart not to buy into numbers and hype. A couple of your fellow Aggies here apparently seem to not realize that the guy playing for us yesterday as well as Brantley were all highly recruited, top QBs coming out of high school. You just never know how much stock to put into that until they actually have some games under their belt.
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