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re: Lets talk Chubb, Elliot and LF7
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:09 pm to inadaze
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:09 pm to inadaze
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Yes, I think this is what the discussion is (Unless you're talking about something else?), and I think Elliott's performances in those games are part of the discussion/criteria.
Then why even question my first post? If we are discussing the best back right now, bringing up stats from last year is stupid, particularly 5 weeks into this season.
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It's still early in the 2015-16 season, at a point where most of these guys' carries have come against less-than-stellar opponents. So it makes sense to take those three games into account, especially the game vs. Alabama.
So? As I've said, we're 5 weeks into the season, which is more than enough to make a determination. Right now Fournette is better. If someone else surpasses him in the next 3-4 weeks then you revisit the thread, but to argue it right now with stats from last season is dumb, as I've said already as well.
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:15 pm to RB10
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So? As I've said, we're 5 weeks into the season, which is more than enough to make a determination. Right now Fournette is better. If someone else surpasses him in the next 3-4 weeks then you revisit the thread, but to argue it right now with stats from last season is dumb, as I've said already as well.
I disagree with your first part completely. How are last years stats dumb to use when using RBs against good opponents? I guarantee if LF had blown up last year and some other guy was doing better this year LSU fans would be talking about last year
It's only dumb when it goes against your argument
As of right now, LF is having a better year running the ball. Does he block? is he good out of the backfield? when looking at running sure he's the best right now, but is he the most complete back? I don't know enough to say that
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:18 pm to Buckeye06
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I disagree with your first part completely. How are last years stats dumb to use when using RBs against good opponents? I guarantee if LF had blown up last year and some other guy was doing better this year LSU fans would be talking about last year
If my aunt had ball she'd be my uncle. We aren't talking about "ifs" and we aren't talking about "weres", we're talking about "is".
As in, LF is the best running back in the country right now. There's not really any debating it at this point. Once again, in a few weeks you're welcome to revisit this discussion if someone has surpassed him.
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It's only dumb when it goes against your argument
No, it's always dumb to talk about who's better right now and then bring up stats from a previous season.
Right now =/= last season. I'm not sure how much more clear that can be.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:18 pm to agregime1
Maybe men's figure skating is more your thing...
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:20 pm to agregime1
Fournette does not belong in any discussion of the best backs in the country. No one argues if Bo, Hershel, or AP were the best backs in their respective years. They argue about who was second best. Same with Fournette this year.
And to the OP's contention that no one will convince him otherwise...yeah, someone will - Fournette. Five years from now you will have conveniently forgotten your current opinion.
And to the OP's contention that no one will convince him otherwise...yeah, someone will - Fournette. Five years from now you will have conveniently forgotten your current opinion.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:20 pm to RB10
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Then why even question my first post?
Because you tried to discount Elliott's performances at the end of the 2014-15 season. Again, no one has made the stipulation that only the 2015-16 season can be discussed (you are trying to, but I don't care, and I've already explained why that is a flawed idea). One of the main criterions for judging a back is how they perform against a top-notch Rush Defense like Alabama. Discounting that is foolish.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:23 pm to inadaze
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Because you tried to discount Elliott's performances at the end of the 2014-15 season. Again, no one has made the stipulation that only the 2015-16 season can be discussed (you are trying to, but I don't care, and I've already explained why that is a flawed idea). One of the main criterions for judging a back is how they perform against a top-notch Rush Defense like Alabama. Discounting that is foolish.
Jesus dude, I can't keep explaining how using games from 9 months ago to argue who's better at this moment is stupid. There is no argument, in week 5 of 2015 Leonard Fournette is more impressive than Elliot.
If you want to argue who has had the better career up to this point, go ahead. You would actually have an argument.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:27 pm to ArabianKnight
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Didn't Henry have more yards than Chubb in the same game?
Did they face a comparable defense?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:27 pm to RB10
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If you want to argue who has had the better career up to this point, go ahead. You would actually have an argument.
I already said in my first post in the thread that I'd take Fournette. I'm just pushing back against your silly attempts to dismiss Ezekiel Elliott's great games.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:27 pm to RB10
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As in, LF is the best running back in the country right now. There's not really any debating it at this point. Once again, in a few weeks you're welcome to revisit this discussion if someone has surpassed him.
Of course there is debating it. Zeke is the best running back in the country right now. He had more yards last week than Fournette. He had a better game than Fournette so RIGHT NOW Zeke is better
Edit: If you want to talk about the previous 3 weeks go ahead
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:29 pm to Buckeye06
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Of course there is debating it. Zeke is the best running back in the country right now. He had more yards last week than Fournette. He had a better game than Fournette so RIGHT NOW Zeke is better
Why don't you make it a little bit more obvious that you're butthurt as frick LF is having a better season and getting more attention than Elliot.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:31 pm to inadaze
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I already said in my first post in the thread that I'd take Fournette. I'm just pushing back against your silly attempts to dismiss Ezekiel Elliott's great games.
Where have I dismissed Elliots games from 2014? I haven't mentioned them because I'm not talking about 2014, I'm talking about 2015.
I'm sorry you can't grasp that and the Buckeye in here is too butthurt to let it go.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:31 pm to RB10
Buckeye is just taking your "reasoning" a step further.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:32 pm to agregime1
Fournette does what he does with ZERO passing game. Elliot is not better.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:33 pm to Buckeye06
Not to mention the fact that Elliot plays in a shitty conference against inferior opponents week in and week out.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:33 pm to RB10
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Why don't you make it a little bit more obvious that you're butthurt as frick LF is having a better season and getting more attention than Elliot.
Did Elliott not have the better game last week? I think LF is a great RB and have said as much. I don't care about the publicity. I will say without a doubt no one on here has watched Zeke play when he doesn't have the ball and how well he does everything in addition to being a top 3 guy running the ball
Edit: And yes I'm just poking fun at this point. you said 2015 LF is the best, and I said today he doesn't have the best recent performance.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:34 pm to inadaze
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Buckeye is just taking your "reasoning" a step further.
Yeah, I used one game as my "reasoning". Keep trying fella. You may eventually make a decent point, even if it is by accident.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:36 pm to RB10
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Yeah, I used one game as my "reasoning". Keep trying fella. You may eventually make a decent point, even if it is by accident.
You're using 4. I'm trying to make the sample size bigger to account for outliers?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:37 pm to RB10
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Where have I dismissed Elliots games from 2014?
You've done it multiple times.
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I'm not talking about 2014, I'm talking about 2015
I've explained the problem here -- level of competition -- it matters.
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