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re: Let's disspell this myth that a top 10 UGA is always overrated
Posted on 7/24/15 at 4:45 pm to johnzorback
Posted on 7/24/15 at 4:45 pm to johnzorback
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If we say nr = rank 26 (which is being very generous ) that means from the data listed Georgia has fallen 28 ranks when ranked 10 or under.
So an average of 6 ranks fallen per year. So yes top ten Georgia teams are overrated.
Hush... Big 6 fans are talking...
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 4:46 pm to Alert Mi
God,your post really hurt my head but I'll try as hard as can to actually use football analogies as opposed to Honda 50s and 450's???? Ready?
Why its harder to win in moderns times?
Do I really have to explain this to you?
Well,back in the day of Dooley,Bryant etc you only had to play 6 conference games which less 8 conference games.
Which means you stand more of a chance of losing a game since 8 is more than 6....does this make sense to you?
Ok,back in the day,you didn't have to play a conference championship game (which actually establishes a true champion)and you could actually tie another team and share a title. Isn't it much easier to share a conference championship than actually play for one?
Sorry I couldn't use the Honda comparisons and I hope this helps!
Why its harder to win in moderns times?
Do I really have to explain this to you?
Well,back in the day of Dooley,Bryant etc you only had to play 6 conference games which less 8 conference games.
Which means you stand more of a chance of losing a game since 8 is more than 6....does this make sense to you?
Ok,back in the day,you didn't have to play a conference championship game (which actually establishes a true champion)and you could actually tie another team and share a title. Isn't it much easier to share a conference championship than actually play for one?
Sorry I couldn't use the Honda comparisons and I hope this helps!
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 4:47 pm to chilge1
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2005 - 5/12
2007 - 2/1
2011 - 4/2
2012 - 3/14
I don't think you'll find many LSU fans that will say we weren't overrated in 2012 given that we were breaking in Mettenberger, Landry, Beckham, and Hill as first year starters.
So we dropped out every time and so did you except for once. Does that really make you feel better?
(Ok...so one time you won the National Championship...you SHOULD be happy about that.) But you haven't done a whole lot better in that regard.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 4:49 pm to johnzorback
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Your whole argument was that georgia top ten teams are better than people give them credit for, which is not true, even if you get rid of the worst data.
No it isn't. The argument is that we generally finish higher than we are ranked preseason. That's what this whole thread is about. maybe you should go back and read the OP again?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 4:52 pm to johnzorback
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Sorry i forget that Georgia doesnt teach reading those weird looking symbols. Theyre called numbers.
Post the numbers year by year and Allow us to double check.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 4:58 pm to DawgsLife
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Not insecure. But if you begin ranked #5 you can only move up so much. If you start ranked #5 and have a bad year you can lose a TON of spots. You just aren't thinking what you are saying through.
right and i threw the bad year out. if you just count the good years georgia still fell 2 ranks a year.
I mean if you're using ranks to determine how georgia is rated what else can you use to show how over/underated they are. I mean even if i just use all the data you listed (even being nr to start) georgia still fell 28 ranks, and 2 ranks a year.
I mean if you want to make a point system to show what you mean and weight ranks differently(1-3) 10 points a rank (4-6) 5 points a rank, ect., I'd read it.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:02 pm to djsdawg
derp
02: 8/3 -5
04: 3/7 +4 total -1
08: 1/10 +9 total +8
12: 6/5 -1 total +7
13: 5/NR +21 total +28
I know math can be hard sometimes.
2/5 times better than your rank means overrated right?
02: 8/3 -5
04: 3/7 +4 total -1
08: 1/10 +9 total +8
12: 6/5 -1 total +7
13: 5/NR +21 total +28
I know math can be hard sometimes.
2/5 times better than your rank means overrated right?
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:04 pm to johnzorback
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right and i threw the bad year out. if you just count the good years georgia still fell 2 ranks a year.
Whatever, dude. If you can't see the fallacy of your reasoning then all the explaining in the world want help you to understand.
The whole point of the thread is that UGA finishes higher ranked than they started in most years. It's NOT how far we fall when we fall compared to how far up we move when we improve.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:06 pm to DawgsLife
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The whole point of the thread is that UGA finishes higher ranked than they started in most years.
but that's not true.
3/5 times you don't when you're top ten
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:10 pm to WG_Dawg
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I'd say it's extremely comparable. Richt maybe more so. The old timers will disagree, but I truly think Richt is the "best" coach we've ever had. The only reason I put best in quotes is because he doens't have the hardware dooley did. But if I have 1 game and I need a coach between those 2, I'm taking richt.
I was going through old Georgia seasons, and it seemed like Dooley had way more down years than Richt has had. Would definitely take Richt.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:16 pm to johnzorback
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derp
02: 8/3 -5
04: 3/7 +4 total -1
08: 1/10 +9 total +8
12: 6/5 -1 total +7
13: 5/NR +21 total +28
I know math can be hard sometimes.
2/5 times better than your rank means overrated right?
2008 and 2013 involved tons of injuries that weren't taken into account in the preseason polls. Your point is a lot weaker than you think it is.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:20 pm to djsdawg
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2008 and 2013 involved tons of injuries that weren't taken into account in the preseason polls. Your point is a lot weaker than you think it is.
so you're saying they were overrated. I agree.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:23 pm to dallasga6
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Hush... Big 6 fans are talking...
ark-sows pretending they know what's going on is so darn cute though..
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:35 pm to higgs_boson
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They have come very close to getting a shot at the NC game. Alabama, Florida, LSU and Auburn have all won championships since Richt took the job, but all the teams had a little bit of luck that bounced their way that Georgia did not.
The true realization. Auburnphan doesn't approve....
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:39 pm to johnzorback
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2008 and 2013 involved tons of injuries that weren't taken into account in the preseason polls. Your point is a lot weaker than you think it is.
so you're saying they were overrated. I agree.
Nope. Saying the team that was rated didn't play enough to make that determination.
Also it's reasonable to include pre ranks like 11th and 12th since they are so close to ten.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:43 pm to djsdawg
Not trying to be an arse here. Georgia usually has great teams.
Just pointing out that when they have been rated in the top ten they usually fall in rank. (3/5 times) Still way better than Arkansas has been in the same timeframe.
Just pointing out that when they have been rated in the top ten they usually fall in rank. (3/5 times) Still way better than Arkansas has been in the same timeframe.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:47 pm to johnzorback
2/3 times it requires Major injuries.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:48 pm to dallasga6
start a thread that suggests anything positive about UGA = 5 pages and stays at the top of the board all day
tRant = Dawgsessed
tRant = Dawgsessed
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:54 pm to djsdawg
Major injuries sounds like a badass name.
Sounds like Major pain's pissed off son.
Sounds like Major pain's pissed off son.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 5:57 pm to WG_Dawg
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Let's disspell this myth that a top 10 UGA is always overrated
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Would you care to expound on why it is harder to win in modern times than it was during Dooley's, Bryant's, Broyle's, Dietzel's, etc... eras?
Don't know if you've actually thought about it, but I'll tell you.
Back in those days, you ran the ball 3 times and punted. Nowadays, you have teams throwing it 50 times a game, teams with a ground and pound, variations of the spread or read option, etc. There are far more things to account for.
In 1980, 3 people in all of CFB threw more than 3,000 yards. In 1975, only 2 people threw for more than 2,500 yards. In 1965 (dooley's 2nd year), only 3 people threw for more than 2,000 yards.
Does that make sense now?
No, it makes absolutely no sense, hence my motorcycle analogy.
Football has changed over the decades, no doubt about it. Are players physically more talented? Of course. Is the pace of the game faster, yes. Is it more physical? Yes.
But, to use your comparison of running the ball 3 times and punting. Well, didn't everyone do that? If everyone was doing that, and they were, it was just as hard to win as it is today with each team throwing 50 times a game, and each team matching every time they play in terms of tactics and game-plans?
Let's look at it this way:
Isn't it just as hard for two ants to fight each other as it is for two Rottweilers to fight each other?
The Rottweiler is naturally much stronger and physically adept and deadlier than the ant. But the ant, involved in a battle with another ant, faces the same dangers as the Rottweiler fighting another Rottweiler. It's just as hard for the ant to win the fight as it is for the Rottweiler to win the fight.
The facts of the matter are that Georiga, playing in any time period, simply has never measured up and has never achieved what other SEC teams have. They are lacking.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 6:00 pm
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