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re: Lets Compare B. Harris and J. Jefferson Year 1 to Year 2
Posted on 8/12/16 at 12:01 pm to HottyToddy7
Posted on 8/12/16 at 12:01 pm to HottyToddy7
quote:stupid post is stupid
If by efficiently you mean had 74 more rushing yards in 4 years than Bo Wallace had total in 3? Give me a break.
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Posted on 8/12/16 at 12:02 pm to lsufball19
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Jefferson was awful in the SECCG as well
True, I forgot our defense, special teams and RBs just shat all over UGa and we won by 32. Jefferson 30 yards passing.
I know Miles get poked quite a bit for being stubborn, but he'll never live down Jefferson playing as poorly as he did that postseason and not letting Lee take ONE snap in either of those games after the season he had.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 12:02 pm to HottyToddy7
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Yea I'm scared for Les's safety when we walk out of a half empty tiger stadium up 30 points and taking a knee in LSU territory.
That only happens to Ole Miss.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 12:03 pm to thunderbird1100
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I know Miles get poked quite a bit for being stubborn, but he'll never live down Jefferson playing as poorly as he did that postseason and not letting Lee take ONE snap in either of those games after the season he had.
correct. The result may not have been different, but Jefferson clearly was not going to win that Alabama game. Les essentially gave up by not making any changes
Posted on 8/12/16 at 12:23 pm to HottyToddy7
You're an idiot
Jefferson wasn't a 4 year starter, he only started the last two games of his freshman year.
2009 he started 12 games, missed one due to injury
2010 he started all 13
2011 he started 5, but played sparingly in the other 5
398-678(59%) 4,733 34 TDs 20 INTs
359 rushes 1018 yards 12 TDs
In 32 games started, same as Bo
Who has
747-1186(63%) 9,534 62 TDs 41 INTs
395 rushes 944 yards 19 TDs
But let's not forget H2H
Jefferson vs Ole Miss in 3 starts and 1 relief spot
49-81(60.5) 721 yards 5 TDs 3 INTs 173.4 QB rating
34 rushes 62 yards 1 TD
2-1 record, including a 52-3 win @VH
Bo Wallace vs LSU in 3 starts
59-107(55.1) 732 yards 3 TDs 4 INTs 120.3 QB rating
34 rushes 112 yards 2 TDs
1-2 record, including a 10-7 loss to the worst LSU football team since 2008, in a season that was proclaimed as Ole Miss's GOAT
Now you way be asking what this all means, it means
Harris>Jefferson>>>>>Bro
LSU 14 conference titles>Ole Miss 6 Conference titles
LSU 2 Modern Era national titles>Ole Miss modern era national titles 0
LSU all time record 770-404-47>Ole Miss all time record 655-504-34
LSU>>>>>>>>>>>Ole Miss
I'm sure the only thing you guys have us beat in is campus lynchings, but I'm not completely sure on the facts for that
Jefferson wasn't a 4 year starter, he only started the last two games of his freshman year.
2009 he started 12 games, missed one due to injury
2010 he started all 13
2011 he started 5, but played sparingly in the other 5
398-678(59%) 4,733 34 TDs 20 INTs
359 rushes 1018 yards 12 TDs
In 32 games started, same as Bo
Who has
747-1186(63%) 9,534 62 TDs 41 INTs
395 rushes 944 yards 19 TDs
But let's not forget H2H
Jefferson vs Ole Miss in 3 starts and 1 relief spot
49-81(60.5) 721 yards 5 TDs 3 INTs 173.4 QB rating
34 rushes 62 yards 1 TD
2-1 record, including a 52-3 win @VH
Bo Wallace vs LSU in 3 starts
59-107(55.1) 732 yards 3 TDs 4 INTs 120.3 QB rating
34 rushes 112 yards 2 TDs
1-2 record, including a 10-7 loss to the worst LSU football team since 2008, in a season that was proclaimed as Ole Miss's GOAT
Now you way be asking what this all means, it means
Harris>Jefferson>>>>>Bro
LSU 14 conference titles>Ole Miss 6 Conference titles
LSU 2 Modern Era national titles>Ole Miss modern era national titles 0
LSU all time record 770-404-47>Ole Miss all time record 655-504-34
LSU>>>>>>>>>>>Ole Miss
I'm sure the only thing you guys have us beat in is campus lynchings, but I'm not completely sure on the facts for that
Posted on 8/12/16 at 12:24 pm to JTREBEL
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There is a 60% chance that Harris will improve his QBR in year 2. Out of every SEC 2 year starting QB since 2000 22 of the 35 have increased their QBR on average of 12 pts. Is that enough to win a title. Don't know, but he does have better than a 50/50 chance of improving..
This is good stuff.
Can we widdle this down to underclassmen in first year and upperclassmen in second year?
Or returning over half their offense around them (9/11 - C, both RBs, all WRs for LSU)?
Maybe move it back to 1990 to get a larger data set?
Posted on 8/12/16 at 12:25 pm to HottyToddy7
I would trade Harris for Jefferson right now.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 1:19 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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I would trade Harris for Jefferson right now.
What in the fricking frick frick?!?!?!
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:06 pm to HottyToddy7
Here's a set of stats to compare.
Chad Kelly vs Florida
C/att YDS. AVG TD INT QBR
26/40. 259 6.5. 1. 1. 40.6
Brandon Harris vs Florida
C/att. YDS. AVG. TD. INT. QBR
13/19. 202 10.6 2. 0. 87.5
Chad Kelly vs Florida
C/att YDS. AVG TD INT QBR
26/40. 259 6.5. 1. 1. 40.6
Brandon Harris vs Florida
C/att. YDS. AVG. TD. INT. QBR
13/19. 202 10.6 2. 0. 87.5
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:11 pm to AshLSU
You don't want to go down this path. I promise you.
Kelly vs Bama
18-33
54%
3 TD 0 INt
Harris vs Bama
6-19 (really 7 if you count Olineman as a catch)
31%
1 TD/ 1 INT
Kelly and Harris are both in their first full year of starting?
Should I go on? I don't think I need too. Not only does Kelly destroy Harris in every way imaginable, he has a better w/l record and a big fat 1-0 against Harris and LSU.
Kelly vs Bama
18-33
54%
3 TD 0 INt
Harris vs Bama
6-19 (really 7 if you count Olineman as a catch)
31%
1 TD/ 1 INT
Kelly and Harris are both in their first full year of starting?
Should I go on? I don't think I need too. Not only does Kelly destroy Harris in every way imaginable, he has a better w/l record and a big fat 1-0 against Harris and LSU.
This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:16 pm to HottyToddy7
Jordan Jefferson had a better career than any QB currently playing in the SEC, played with a rare slide in LSU running backs, and wasn't as bad as most (especially LSU fans) remember. He was not very good and his demeanor left a lot to be desired, but he was good enough to go undefeated in 2011 (including replacing Lee at halftime against Bama and leading the team to victory) and beat Georgia 42-10 in the SEC championship game. And our offense this year has more weapons than JJ did.
In short, we stacked, you fricked.
In short, we stacked, you fricked.
This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:17 pm to HottyToddy7
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HottyToddy7
I hope you didn't graduate from Ole Miss.
I graduated from Ole Miss and really don't want to be associated with you.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:19 pm to TheCaterpillar
That's actually a good thing. Because anyone that went to OM and is still an LSU fan is as confused as a 7 year old transgender in front of bathroom.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:19 pm to HottyToddy7
quote:As will Harris. See if we are playing stupid games I can make my own reality, just like you have.
Every one of the guys you just pulled out were drafted.
By and large an experienced QB is seen as an asset. This is just accepted.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:20 pm to Cold Drink
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Jordan Jefferson had a better career than any QB currently playing in the SEC
Might have won more games, but other than that, no he didn't.
That is fricking asinine.
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he was good enough to go undefeated in 2011 (including replacing Lee at halftime against Bama and leading the team to victory) and beat Georgia 42-10 in the SEC championship gam
He didn't play until the Bama game, had 30 yards passing in the SEC title game and had maybe the worst game in the history of national championship game QBs.
Our offense stalled against first meeting with Bama and Jordan came in and executed the option and Bama had obviously not been prepared for that. I thank him for that.
Our offense was atrocious against Arkansas until Tyrann's returns and the defense put us back in it.
ETA:
This thread is not about Jordan.
This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:23 pm to tigerfoot
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By and large an experienced QB is seen as an asset. This is just accepted
Everyone except Les. Who is the one who is his HC.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:24 pm to TheCaterpillar
He (and Lee, whom I also defend) helped lead this team to one of the most impressive seasons in CFB history.
I'm not saying JJ was great, I'm saying we've already shown we can slay the SEC with someone like him as our QB and I'm looking forward to reminding those who forgot
I'm not saying JJ was great, I'm saying we've already shown we can slay the SEC with someone like him as our QB and I'm looking forward to reminding those who forgot
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:25 pm to TheCaterpillar
Also, I'd like to point out that Brandon Harris is a very intelligent guy. Jordan...not so much.
Brandon is kind of a nerd.
Brandon is kind of a nerd.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:30 pm to HottyToddy7
Man that sure is a lot of research and such.....about a school that you're not a fan of.
A lot of work putting this together huh?
Good for you Sparky!!!
A lot of work putting this together huh?
Good for you Sparky!!!
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:50 pm to HottyToddy7
Unless you see the improvement in Russell, Mett, and Lee.
This seems hard for you
This seems hard for you
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