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re: Kind of funny how players don’t want to play in their “meaningless” bowl game...
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:10 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:10 am to pvilleguru
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The practices leading up to the game are more meaningful than any bowl game.
Again. They are not working on technique. They are teaching a varied group of people a totally new offense and a totally new defense. new terminology so they can communicate on the field.
I have played on an All-Star team at the High School level....trust me. They are not getting some in depth instruction that will suddenly make them a higher draft pick.
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:13 am to DawgsLife
It's not about getting instruction. It's several days of practicing with/against your draft competition in front of NFL scouts and coaches.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:13 am to colddeuce
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instantly become millionaires and could have it taken away do to an injury because the school that makes millions off of you wanted you to play in their game
Okay,How many players has this actually happened to?
I believe Alonzo Highsmith and the othe Miami RB in '01 both had knee injuries in bowl games but BOTH were playing for a NC...so neither were in a "meaningless" bowl game and neither of the injuries happened recently.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:15 am to pvilleguru
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It's not about getting instruction. It's several days of practicing with/against your draft competition in front of NFL scouts and coaches.
I get thta. But a week isn't going to change a thing. Unless a player absolutely goes off and scores 3-4 TD or runs for 150 yards his draft grade is not going to move.
Also, in most All Star type games they are very careful to give everybody a good amount of snaps, so a player simply isn't going to get enough snaps to make a huge difference. You MIGHT be able to find one or two instances in which a player was able to show out...maybe.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:17 am to RD Dawg
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Okay,How many players has this actually happened to?
You are absolutely right. I'm sure it has happened to somebody somewhere, but it would be a very rare occasion.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:17 am to DawgsLife
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But a week isn't going to change a thing
Then why have the combine? A week can absolutely help improve where you get drafted.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:18 am to GoGators04
Bowls matter to schools, states.
Senior bowl is a week of job auditions for potential employers.
Those who opt out think they are playing it safe.
Everyone else think they are soulless quitters.
Senior bowl is a week of job auditions for potential employers.
Those who opt out think they are playing it safe.
Everyone else think they are soulless quitters.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:19 am to DawgsLife
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Not really. They aren't working on technique that week. they are learning a new scheme. And the chances of injury is probably greater at the senior bowl than at a regular bowl game.
Senior Bowl practices are significant scouting events.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:20 am to DawgsLife
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I have played on an All-Star team at the High School level....trust me.
This is not even close to the same thing.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:24 am to pvilleguru
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Then why have the combine? A week can absolutely help improve where you get drafted.
Seriously? You honestly believe you get the same thing from a combine that you do for a bowl game?
The Combine has a totally different mind set and drills they go through to show off a players abilities, agility and strength. A bowl game is learning a whole new pared down offense and defense.
Are you serious with this?
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:26 am to Crowknowsbest
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This is not even close to the same thing.
I absolutely agree. But they are still doing much the same things as far as teaching the kids a new offense and defense and terminology....and even at that the offense and defense is pared won as much as possible so they can all know what plays are being run. It takes a vast majority of their time teaching them this....not showing skills off.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:27 am to Crowknowsbest
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Senior Bowl practices are significant scouting events.
Just as regular bowls are. I can promise you that there are scouts at Bowl practices and games, too.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:27 am to DawgsLife
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I absolutely agree. But they are still doing much the same things as far as teaching the kids a new offense and defense and terminology....and even at that the offense and defense is pared won as much as possible so they can all know what plays are being run. It takes a vast majority of their time teaching them this....not showing skills off.
Senior Bowl practices have a lot of OL/DL and WR/DB 1on1s, 7on7 passing stuff, and things of that nature.
These guys wouldn’t do it if it wasn’t important. Their agents wouldn’t let them.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:28 am to DawgsLife
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Just as regular bowls are. I can promise you that there are scouts at Bowl practices and games, too.
Not at nearly the same concentration and without the same amount of other pro prospects to go against.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:30 am to GoT1de
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Those who opt out think they are playing it safe.
I understand what they are thinking. but can you think of anybody that has had a career altering injury in a bowl game? I'm sure it has happened. but it has to be rare. I bet nobody can name someone without looking it up and then it would be very, very few times it has happened.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:31 am to Crowknowsbest
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Not at nearly the same concentration and without the same amount of other pro prospects to go against.
Okay. Let me put it another way. Do you think anybody has had a draft position altered significantly due to a senior bowl practice to the point that it overrode the film that player has for 3-4 years?
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:34 am to DawgsLife
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Okay. Let me put it another way. Do you think anybody has had a draft position altered significantly due to a senior bowl practice to the point that it overrode the film that player has for 3-4 years?
You wouldn’t get invited to the Senior Bowl without some good film, so it’s not overriding anything really. I do think there have absolutely been players whose stock relative to their peers was significantly altered at the Senior Bowl.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:35 am to DawgsLife
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can you think of anybody that has had a career altering injury in a bowl game?
Jaylon Smith, Willis McGahee come to mind immediately
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:47 am to DawgsLife
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Are you somehow under the impression that scouts do not attend or watch the regular bowl games?
Scouts do attend regular bowl games, but what are the chances that the head coaches of just about every NFL team will be in attendance at the game and the practices? They do attend Sr. Bowl practice.
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Are you under the impression that playing in a bowl game somehow eliminates you from consideration for the NFL?
Obviously not, but a player gets a hell of lot more attention from NFL teams at the Senior bowl than they would at the Duke's Mayo Bowl. Why risk injuring yourself in a meaningless game when you have an opportunity to make it to the NFL?
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:47 am to Crowknowsbest
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Willis McGahee
McGahee was drafted in the first round.
He was also playing in the National Championship game. He was nto going to opt out of that game. I mean, I get it. He was injured in a bowl game. But did it really impact his NFL career? he was drafted in the first round, and yes, he did not play in his first year, but I'm not sure he can be used as someone thtat had their career adversely impacted by playing ina bowl game.
Jaylon Smith was drafted in the 2nd round, 34th over all. I can your point here a bit more. He probably would have gone higher in the draft, and it possibly cost him a significant amount of money. It's hard to say how much it will impact him long term, if at all, though, since he is relatively more recent.
But really....do you honestly remember how many players have been injured significantly over the years? How many thousands of players have played in the bowl games over the last 10-15 years?
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 11:48 am
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