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re: Kind of feel bad for that Stanford kid
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:59 pm to artompkins
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:59 pm to artompkins
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his 1048 mostly useless return yards?
Nothing quite says "awesome" than running back kick-offs against noodle-legged kickers for an average barely above touchback distance.
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:03 pm to VaBamaMan
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Return yardage doesn't mean much. Sorry.
bullshite. Any coach will look you in the face and laugh when you say that. Those occasional 10-20 yard returns are huge even without having TD returns. That's your first 1 or 2 first downs. It's like saying it doesn't matter if you get a first down and then punt rather than just go 3 and out.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:04 pm to skrayper
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Nothing quite says "awesome" than running back kick-offs against noodle-legged kickers for an average barely above touchback distance.
Take them away and he's still got around yds from scrimmage than Henry.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:07 pm to skrayper
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Nothing quite says "awesome" than running back kick-offs against noodle-legged kickers for an average barely above touchback distance.
Which is it? Noodle leg kickers, barely above touch back, can't have both. He's averaging 27, are the kickers noodle legged or is he returning them all from the end zone? Because that's the assumption you are making when you say "barely above touchback distance".
A 27 yard return from the 10 puts you on the 37, I highly doubt he's making the decision to take all these kicks from his own end zone like you all keep saying.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:07 pm to skirpnasty
Dude, you are so damn dumb.
His 10-20 yards in kick returns isn't even as much as a touchback.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:09 pm to skirpnasty
He averaged 29 yards per return. Nationally eight averaged more and thirty more players were within four yards of his average. It's certainly a positive but nothing outstanding.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:09 pm to skirpnasty
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I couldn't care less about the return yards. The fact that he is actually viable in the passing game makes him a more complete back.
How does Mcaffrey's inability to get his yards by simply taking a hand off and using himself as a battering ram to get 5-7 yards make him a more "complete" back. Bama didn't need Henry to catch the ball out of the backfield. It isn't how the offense is set up. He is the bruising back and we throw quick bubble screens and run jet sweeps to open up the middle.
Btw, what would be the collective bleeding in here if DH caught passes too? And took punts and kick-offs? Oh my!
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:10 pm to VaBamaMan
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Has everyone forgotten DH as a freshman and sophomore.
We haven't, but we aren't discussing awards based on career achievement. I'm not saying he isn't a great all around back and excellent running routes and catching passes. I'm saying that he wasn't this season.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:11 pm to LovetheLord
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How does Mcaffrey's inability to get his yards by simply taking a hand off and using himself as a battering ram to get 5-7 yards make him a more "complete" back.
Do you..actually watch football? Serious question.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:13 pm to cajunbama
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Dude, you are so damn dumb.
His 10-20 yards in kick returns isn't even as much as a touchback.
The 10-20 yard returns were referencing punts, genius.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:13 pm to skirpnasty
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bullshite. Any coach will look you in the face and laugh when you say that. Those occasional 10-20 yard returns are huge even without having TD returns. That's your first 1 or 2 first downs. It's like saying it doesn't matter if you get a first down and then punt rather than just go 3 and out.
I meant in the Heisman race. Because in return yards, VOR is not high enough to place a ton of value in what an individual kid does.
Punt returns show case more individual ability than kickoff returns. It's a lot harder to create yards and space to move, and seeing the field after catching the ball is substantially more difficult. You have to instantly assess the best route, while simultaneously having to make a guy miss on most returns. Plus its simply a lot harder to catch he ball. Anyone who has stood under a punt from a punter who knows what they are doing has seen the way the ball moves, twists, and turns in the air.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Nobody really watches many Stanford games homie. The kid is great, and if he wins the Heisman he will be deserving, but he isn't an every down back. FACT!!!
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:18 pm to cajunbama
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but he isn't an every down back. FACT!!!
He had almost as many carries as Henry and also was very effective in the passing game. He had more total touches on the ball. How do you look at the facts and decide he isn't an every down back? Just silly.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:19 pm to skirpnasty
How many punt return yards did he have?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Take them away and he's still got around yds from scrimmage than Henry.
I see you still refuse to entertain the sorry state of Pac12 defenses as part of the reason he has more yards than Henry, Cook, and Fournette.
You put any one of those 3 guys on Stanford, and McCaffrey is on the bench. Behind Stanford's O-line, in that conference, I firmly believe all 3 would have 2300 yds rushing or more. Yes it's hypothetical, but those 3 guys are better than McCaffrey.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:20 pm to cajunbama
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Nobody really watches many Stanford games homie.
Says the fan from the fanbase that believes life doesn't exist beyond West Texas.
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The kid is great, and if he wins the Heisman he will be deserving, but he isn't an every down back. FACT!!!
He's far more versatile than Henry. Henry isn't the every down back. Old stone hands gave way to Drake on obvious passing downs
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:21 pm to VaBamaMan
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I see you still refuse to entertain the sorry state of Pac12 defenses
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:22 pm to skirpnasty
TDs and the FACT that Stanford has a short yardage back.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:22 pm to VaBamaMan
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meant in the Heisman race. Because in return yards, VOR is not high enough to place a ton of value in what an individual kid does.
Fair enough, I misunderstood you. But I'm willing to bet the VOR is a little more than he is being given credit for. It's not like the average kick returned is from the 1. If his average is 29 per return, let's say conservatively that the average kick returned is from the 4, that's a VOR of 8.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:29 pm to cajunbama
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TDs and the FACT that Stanford has a short yardage back.
How is having a stockier back a knock on your primary back? That guy is a senior and raked in 11 TD's last year too. You can't discredit the guy because his OC likes to put a bowling ball in for the short field.
I don't really know enough about their offense to say what goes on there. For all I know he could play QB inside the 10. Hell, he's got a few passing TD's.
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