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re: Just turned on the manziel doc and forgot how damn good he was
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:01 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:01 am to RollTide1987
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I'll never forget how good that kid was. He might be the best improvisational QB in the history of college football.
No doubt...but the reason he was the greatest improvisational QB in history is because he did not know how to play the game correctly. I know, he won a Heisman and was a first round pick...I get it. But every coach he ever had says he could not read defenses, was uninterested in film study and he himself has said practicing was not on his list of priorities. He had an incredible skill set and instincts were off the chart...had he actually been interested in playing football it is unimaginable how good he could have been. Had he taken a moderate amount of interest at any level of actually learning how to play football and not just out athelting and out improvising the other team he may well have been the best ever. As it is he was merely entertaining to anyone not an Aggy. And most of the entertainment value came off the field. Truly sad that every adult in his life let him down because he was able to improvise and win some games. He is a grown arse man now and its on him but what transpired at ATM and subsequently in the NFL was a direct result of adults failing him at every opportunity.
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Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:07 am to jonnyanony
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If the NFL wasn't full of the most cowardly, conservative playcallers of all they definitely could have turned him into a Slash-type guy who could play wildcat, a bit in the slot ... a lot of options for a dude like that.
But because it's the NFL you get 2-3 years to prove you're a (mostly) pocket passer or you're out the door.
By his own admission and that of anyone in a position to know he was never interested in preparing for a game. The NFL may be cowardly and conservative and a shitty game but the game played in the NFL is played at the highest level and there ain't no comparison. NFL players are paid handsomely for their talent and ability but they are also expected to be professionals...to prepare, to study film, to actually do ALL the work expected of them. Manziel had the skills and talent, he, again by his own admission, did not care to prepare for playing. That is why he failed in the NFL, his talent may have proven good enough or his downfall, but his unwillingness to do the actual work he was being paid to do was the reason he failed.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:14 am to AwgustaDawg
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JM's Dad talking about how the coaching staff was supposed to make his son into a good man is about as telling as anything could be about piss poor parenting and how kids from such homes easily go astray.
Exactly this. Parents are not 100% of the issue in how kids turn out, but they are a hell of a lot more of an issue than anything else.
My younger boy just graduated from West Point. Obviously a sharp kid, and did well there, but making his bed and doing dishes (and all those other "personal discipline" habits) were not our highest priorities as parents. The boys had to do some chores, but we were not militant about it. Pick your battles and all that.
In my Pollyanna mind, 4 years at WP would send him back as an early-rising bedmaker with all kinds of organization and habits.
Negative. He just left for grad school after some post-grad leave, and the room he left behind was something I should be ashamed of as a parent.
My point: What you send out to the world is not the world's problem to fix.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:19 am to RollTide1987
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I'll never forget how good that kid was.
He was a phenom at least as far as his unique style.
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He might be the best improvisational QB in the history of college football.
First thought was agree.
But then I thought about a guy a few years back who repeatedly did incredible shite like catch his own batted down pass and advance it for a long run and/or 1st down, making insane scrambles out of grasp for good yards, and probably more specific things that I can’t recall offhand.
I still kinda agree though and would flesh it out more out of curiosity.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:30 am to BBQRick
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I would take Manziel over Burrow and Cam with all other things being equal. He was just the most electric out of the three after a play broke down. Burrow is great with good receivers though. But Manziel and Cam were just as electric on their feet as much as through the air.
That’s a fundamentally ignorant assessment.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:49 am to RollTide1987
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I'll never forget how good that kid was. He might be the best improvisational QB in the history of college football.
[Doug Flutie has entered the chat]
Seriously though. Best athelete I ever played against, including Bo and Sir Charles.
Dude would run 50 - 60 yds laterally, exhausting the defense. When Manziel beat Bama in Bama's house, it was the first comparison I thought of.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:58 am to Old Sarge
quote:My fondest memory of Evans is him getting shut down by freshman Rashard Robinson in 2013 & having several of his patented hissy fits on the field. Good times.
Evans doesn’t get enough credit
Posted on 8/10/23 at 12:47 pm to RT1941
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And the bullshite lies and maneuvering his agent constantly pulled was revealing, showed just how shady agents are willing to go to make a buck.
It's his job to look out for his client. Not that he wasn't doing shady stuff, but it seems like he's really good at his job. Hell, he was out there running routes for the man.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 12:47 pm to NtxSooner
Nutt didn't do him any favors and likely he was doing hard drugs while in college.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 12:26 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Watched the first ~20 mins last night.
First thing that jumped out at me was his dad talking about how Johnny is such a reflection of him. Also said that he was the one who established discipline in the house and that HS football was an extension of that.
I'm sorry if you are reading this, Paul, but you seem to have completely abdicated this in your job as a parent. It's not football's job to instill the lessons you were supposed to have been working on long before he became QB1. To sit there and pretend you were doing this, after so many years of hoping someone else would do it, is just fundamental dishonesty (not least to yourself).
Can't do anything to change the past, but at least stop lying about it now.
First thing that jumped out at me was his dad talking about how Johnny is such a reflection of him. Also said that he was the one who established discipline in the house and that HS football was an extension of that.
I'm sorry if you are reading this, Paul, but you seem to have completely abdicated this in your job as a parent. It's not football's job to instill the lessons you were supposed to have been working on long before he became QB1. To sit there and pretend you were doing this, after so many years of hoping someone else would do it, is just fundamental dishonesty (not least to yourself).
Can't do anything to change the past, but at least stop lying about it now.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 12:28 pm to Frac the world
quote:the same way he has coached his entire career
Kingsbury literally said as long as you play, do whatever the hell you want. Talk about enabling.
To think some LSU fans thought he would do well here
Posted on 8/11/23 at 12:29 pm to Ag Zwin
quote:he was truthful when he said his son gets it from him
Can't do anything to change the past, but at least stop lying about it now.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 12:30 pm to tigerfoot
Kingsbury has the most to thank Manziel for. He's an absolute failure of a coach, but still was able to secure some paydays based off of Manziel. An OC with no ability to be an actual HC, kind of like some other glorified OC's out there ...
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