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Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:15 pm to tennfanatic
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:15 pm to tennfanatic
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We can talk all day about our rosters. Why can't we just play today?
I wish. Despite all the shite talk, it's going to be a hell of a game and I cannot wait. Here's to the biggest UF-UT game in a long time
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Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:15 pm to atlgator
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Position by position
QB- Tennessee but only because of Del Rios lack of experience - Yep - Dobbs is most experienced QB in the conference.
RB- Tennessee, but Florida is deeper and more talented at RB - Tennessee is only 3 deep at RB...but more talented than Florida
WR- Florida, because Tennessee is run first and Florida is more talented - Yep
TE- Florida, one of the best two TE combos in the country - I don't know about that... Top Returning SEC Tight Ends 2016
OL- Florida, another year of experience and returning 8 players who started a game last year - I will give a slight edge to Florida...UT is the deepest they have been on the OL since the Fulmer days. UT only lost one starter on the OL from last season. Injured Chance Hall, should be back in the lineup by the Florida game.
DL- Florida, goes 10 deep along the DL with guys who have sacks. Best DT in the conference in Caleb Brantley plus the #2 DE in the SEC bryan cox - UT is deeper on the DL than they have been since the early '00s...if Florida has any edge here, it is slight. Tennessee's sack numbers should be up this year by changing from Jancek to Shoop at DC.
LB- Push. Jalen Reeves-Maybin is a ball player, but so is Jarrad Davis - Agree...I would take Tennessee's starting LBs over Florida's, but UT doesn't have good depth behind the starters. You will see UT run a lot of Nickle because of this.
DB- Florida has the best CB in the country in Jalen Tabor and a first team all American at safety in Marcus Maye. Not even mentioning Quincy Wilson. - This is closer than you might think. Right before last season, UT lost Rashad Gaulden for the year. He was the best performing back that UT had. He will be there at nickle this year. Cam Sutton bypassed the draft to return, and will again be strong at corner. Todd Kelly Jr didn't even start last season and had 3 ints. UT's secondary will benefit from Shoop's aggressive style up front. Overall, I would still give the edge to Florida.
Kicker- Push, because Pineiro doesn't have experience, but he is as talented as any kicker in the country - Nope - Medley was 3rd in the conference in field goals last year and will be entering his 3rd season. He was the #1 high school kicker (depending on the service) in the '14 class
Responses above in bold...
A couple of areas you missed:
Punter- Florida - Townsend was slightly better than Daniel last year...but only slightly.
Punt Return - Tennessee - #1 Punt returner in the country last year, Cam Sutton, is back.
Kickoff Return - Tennessee - #1 Kick returner in the country last year, Evan Berry, is back.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:16 pm to VOLhalla
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McElwain made a bunch of idiotic decisions in the UT game last. Unless he's improved dramatically later in the season then there is no doubt in my mind Butch is a better coach.
Which idiotic decision, specifically?
I'll take the coach who got to Atlanta in year one with no offensive line and no quarterback over the coach who can spout off cliches and blow fourth quarter leads any day of the week.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:20 pm to atlgator
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Which idiotic decision, specifically?
The only idiotic decisions in that game were made by Butch. McElwain out coached Butch badly in the 4th.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:23 pm to tennfanatic
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The only idiotic decisions in that game were made by Butch. McElwain out coached Butch badly in the 4th.
Butch's main idiotic decision, was letting Jancek run his prevent defense...rushing 3 against a QB who wasn't a run threat.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:24 pm to madmaxvol
I can't argue with your points because they are all valid and fair. Obviously there are a lot of areas where Florida and Tennessee are very close and the homer in us all will give the advantage to our team.
I will say, I think Florida has improved its kick return personel with the addition of Dre Massey, and I'll put Antonio Callaway up against anybody in America at punt returner.
I wish Sutton would've went pro after last season and he is a solid ball player, but as a pure corner Jalen Tabor is better. And Marcus Maye is an elite safety that returned for his senior season.
Florida, like Tennessee, is thin at linebacker after Jarrad Davis and Alex Anzalone, but guys like Kylan Johnson, Daniel McMillian, and freshman David Reese and Jeremiah Moon and Vosean Joseph will have to step up.
Lastly, don't underestimate Del Rio. He has more weapons than Florida has had since the Meyer years and he has a strong understanding of the offense. He can and will be extremely effective in getting the ball to playmakers and letting them make plays for him.
The coaching in this game, just like last year, will be huge. Mac got the best of Butch last year, and we'll see how that goes this year. I personally will take Mac over Butch any day. Maybe that's biased, maybe it's not, but I think he is just a better coach.
I will say, I think Florida has improved its kick return personel with the addition of Dre Massey, and I'll put Antonio Callaway up against anybody in America at punt returner.
I wish Sutton would've went pro after last season and he is a solid ball player, but as a pure corner Jalen Tabor is better. And Marcus Maye is an elite safety that returned for his senior season.
Florida, like Tennessee, is thin at linebacker after Jarrad Davis and Alex Anzalone, but guys like Kylan Johnson, Daniel McMillian, and freshman David Reese and Jeremiah Moon and Vosean Joseph will have to step up.
Lastly, don't underestimate Del Rio. He has more weapons than Florida has had since the Meyer years and he has a strong understanding of the offense. He can and will be extremely effective in getting the ball to playmakers and letting them make plays for him.
The coaching in this game, just like last year, will be huge. Mac got the best of Butch last year, and we'll see how that goes this year. I personally will take Mac over Butch any day. Maybe that's biased, maybe it's not, but I think he is just a better coach.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:25 pm to madmaxvol
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...rushing 3 against a QB who wasn't a run threat.
And then the terrible angles/tacking once he made the catch
That was both players and coaches picking the worst time to shite the bed
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:27 pm to atlgator
I remember him not going on 4th & 1 at midfield when UF's oline was controlling the line of scrimmage. He looked lost other times too.
His team got down double digits at home to a rival and it took a roided out QB and multiple 4th down miracles to come back. Even then UT had a chance to win with a fg. That isn't good coaching. That's luck with a bit of cheating.
Tennessee's DC did make many bad calls down the stretch and that helped contribute to your win and his loss of his job.
His team got down double digits at home to a rival and it took a roided out QB and multiple 4th down miracles to come back. Even then UT had a chance to win with a fg. That isn't good coaching. That's luck with a bit of cheating.
Tennessee's DC did make many bad calls down the stretch and that helped contribute to your win and his loss of his job.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:27 pm to atlgator
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For the last 25 years, Florida has been the most dominant program in college football.
That is bullshite on its face. And never garnered an undefeated season? How could that be?
The thing is, that your long history as doormat has given you the manners of a doormat.
Get some class.
Walt
UT '81
This post was edited on 8/30/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:30 pm to WhiskeyPapa
And another thing - Bammer's achievements have clearly WAY overshadowed UF's both in the long term and the short term and in every way possible.
Geez.
Walt
UT '81
Geez.
Walt
UT '81
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:31 pm to VFL1800FPD
Another thing to watch for in my opinion: it takes a while for the defense to get adjusted to how a new staff expects them to play. It took Florida until the Ole Miss game before their feet was completely under them with the new defensive staff last year. Even if Shoop is an improvement, it could take a while before the defense gets their barrings about them so to say.
And to your point about Tennessee's talent level, yes they have improved. But the 247 talent meter is based off of high school rankings. Players like Jarrad Davis and Antonio Callaway, elite, all conference players, were ranked three stars coming out of high school, and played like five stars last year. So the difference in talent between 9th and 16th is small and can be swayed with good or bad coaching. The only team in my opinion who is far away more talented than anybody else is Alabama and maybe Ohio State
And to your point about Tennessee's talent level, yes they have improved. But the 247 talent meter is based off of high school rankings. Players like Jarrad Davis and Antonio Callaway, elite, all conference players, were ranked three stars coming out of high school, and played like five stars last year. So the difference in talent between 9th and 16th is small and can be swayed with good or bad coaching. The only team in my opinion who is far away more talented than anybody else is Alabama and maybe Ohio State
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:32 pm to VOLhalla
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I remember him not going on 4th & 1 at midfield when UF's oline was controlling the line of scrimmage. He looked lost other times too.
All of this and he still managed to beat Wife Beater Butch. Incredible.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:33 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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And another thing - Bammer's achievements have clearly WAY overshadowed UF's both in the long term and the short term and in every way possible.
Geez.
Taking moral victories vicariously through your rivals.
My how the "mighty" Tennessee Vols have fallen.
Geez.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:33 pm to atlgator
I guess since you just turned 21 you are now allowed to use the drink emoticon. But we have a slight problem, nobody wants to have a drink with ya. Here's to a long deserved arse whupping - 
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:34 pm to VOLhalla
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Tennessee's DC did make many bad calls down the stretch and that helped contribute to your win and his loss of his job.
If ever a single play cost a coach his job, it happened that day.
All these UF homers don't seem to fathom that Coach Jancek got the old heave-ho and the new DC had a track record of success and some really good players to execute for him.
The game is in K-town, there is last year for these players to consider. But the Gator faithful go merrily on their way when they may wind up on the shitty end of another 45-3 type beat down.
Walt
UT '81
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:36 pm to atlgator
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Taking moral victories vicariously through your rivals.
What? No.
Just the facts Gator dude. Go put your "most dominant" rant on the Bammer guys since they don't really have a team name.
Walt
UT' 81
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:36 pm to atlgator
That's the great thing about football - anything can happen. The best team doesn't always win and a small sample size can help a coach look significantly better than he actually is. We will see which team has a better season and how long McElwain lasts at UF.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:37 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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That is bullshite on its face. And never garnered an undefeated season? How could that be?
The thing is, that your long history as doormat has given you the manners of a doormat.
Get some class.
Walt
UT '81
Florida doesn't have a long history of being a doormat, despite what your blinded delusion may make you believe. Florida has enjoyed two national titles and played for 3 SEC titles since the last time Tennessee has done either. So again, congratulations on the ancient success. Enjoy it and cherish it, because it means absolutely nothing to anybody outside of the hills in East Tennessee
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:38 pm to atlgator
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My how the "mighty" Tennessee Vols have fallen.
That just sounds pathetic.. The words of a doormat long term loser.
Walt
UT '81
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