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re: Jonathan Allen pick six was officially changed to a fumble recovery for a score

Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:17 pm to
Posted by Under_Oath
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:17 pm to
He got that L though.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:23 pm to
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Fumbles caused by a rushers right hand from William's position usually fly five yards forward from a QB standing still.


That whole game seemed like people were trying to tell me what I didn't see.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:24 pm to
We're discussing football. You wouldn't understand.
Posted by jatebe
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:25 pm to
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Fumbles caused by a rushers right hand from William's position usually fly five yards forward from a QB standing still.
Weirdest fumble I've ever seen.
Posted by CNB
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:41 pm to
So it counts for two home runs in the 3rd frame right?
Posted by randomways
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:57 pm to
Gotta say, the Bama entourage, especially #6, should have gotten a dressing-down from Saban. You're not his fan section, kids. You're his bodyguards. Your job is to watch for OM players moving in to tackle him. Had the OM player been just a touch quicker or stronger, he could have stopped Allen inside the five. He just slipped right past the upraised arms of #6. In a properly-executed situation, he would have been blocked out of bounds before reaching Allen.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:03 pm to
Well, that's good for Williams, but I don't think it's the right call.
Posted by IAmReality
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:12 pm to
His arm was going forward, if that hits the ground they are gonna call it incomplete.
Posted by thatthang
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:16 pm to
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Gotta say, the Bama entourage, especially #6, should have gotten a dressing-down from Saban. You're not his fan section, kids. You're his bodyguards. Your job is to watch for OM players moving in to tackle him. Had the OM player been just a touch quicker or stronger, he could have stopped Allen inside the five. He just slipped right past the upraised arms of #6. In a properly-executed situation, he would have been blocked out of bounds before reaching Allen.


Agreed 100%. I was not happy about that, I'm sure it will come up this week.

The more likely scenario, IMO, is a strip fumble. If it went through the endzone for a touchback, that would have been devastating.
Posted by TroyTider
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:17 pm to
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His arm was going forward, if that hits the ground they are gonna call it incomplete.


Pretty sure Gary Danielson would have held up the game long enough for Birmingham to get it right.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:17 pm to
Check
Posted by narddogg81
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:54 pm to
Allen was using the jumbotron as a rear view, saw that guy coming up from behind
Posted by randomways
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:34 pm to
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Agreed 100%. I was not happy about that, I'm sure it will come up this week.

The more likely scenario, IMO, is a strip fumble. If it went through the endzone for a touchback, that would have been devastating.


Actually, Allen deserves major credit here over and above the interception (it still looks like an interception to me, though "arm-jostling" should be a stat so the guy who hit Kelly could get credit.) Right before the OM guy grabs him, he switches from a one hand grip to two hands against the chest (the name of which is escaping me for some reason despite my old HS coach drilling it in.) He apparently knew the OM guy was right on top of him. Lots of guys would have already raised the football up in victory, so it was a good move.

Edit: Or maybe narddogg is correct and Allen saw it on the jumbotron. Either way, he was paying attention.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 4:39 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:37 pm to
So?

Or did you mean to post this on the Bama board?
Posted by GnashRebel
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:38 pm to
It was a strange looking play. I was actually surprised he caught it with the way it came at him so suddenly.
Posted by randomways
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:44 pm to
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So?

Or did you mean to post this on the Bama board?


Eh. It was a play in the biggest SEC game of the week. It wasn't exactly "Checkin if your team has mastered the sippy cup" or anything, but the debate over whether it was a fumble or interception has broader appeal.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:47 pm to
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Actually, Allen deserves major credit here over and above the interception (it still looks like an interception to me, though "arm-jostling" should be a stat so the guy who hit Kelly could get credit.) Right before the OM guy grabs him, he switches from a one hand grip to two hands against the chest (the name of which is escaping me for some reason despite my old HS coach drilling it in.) He apparently knew the OM guy was right on top of him. Lots of guys would have already raised the football up in victory, so it was a good move.

Edit: Or maybe narddogg is correct and Allen saw it on the jumbotron. Either way, he was paying attention.


Narrdog did indeed nail it. Allen said in a postgame interview that he knew the guy was coming because he was checking the jumbotron to make sure he was clear. There's even a photo of him that appears to show him looking up at it as he ran. IMO, that's pretty danged heads-up but it still doesn't excuse the other guys inaction.

Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:48 pm to
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I was actually surprised he caught it


Pretty sure he was too. It looked like a "oh shait, look what I found" moment.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

the debate over whether it was a fumble or interception has broader appeal.

Not really.

If it had relevance to how the game turned out, maybe. But returning a fumble or an INT leads to the same result, a defensive TD.
Posted by JQBama
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 5:01 pm to
Regardless of fumble or pick 6... Swag Kelly received one hell of a bitch-slap on that one
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