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re: It’s time address that which we’ve known for some time now — Calipari is overrated

Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:34 pm to
Posted by LouisvilleKat
Member since Oct 2016
18205 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:34 pm to
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There is no bigger tournament choke artist than Calipari
Bill Self, Tom Izzo and a whole bunch of other guys you never think of because they're actually flops
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:37 pm to
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Cal is NOT overrated. Just a stupid, non basketball fan post


Then make your argument. BluegrassBelle is doing that. If you can't, then nobody cares about your opinion.
Posted by Mojave1864
Vegoose
Member since Oct 2018
114 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:40 pm to
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Jay Wright has had multiple first and second round outs and multiple NIT appearances at Villanova. He even had early outs between his two NCs. And they’ve looked bad this year too.

Just sit down.


Who has more titles, Calipari or Wright?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
98937 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:42 pm to
And?

We’ve already discussed the whole body of work issue in a tournament format here.

Like most here have said, Calipari isn’t overrated. He’s rated about where he should be. Only some football-only mouthbreather would even start this thread after a December loss.
Posted by NFLU
New Orleans, LA
Member since Aug 2014
5772 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:44 pm to
I’ve started multiple threads on this over the past 3 years. Get ready for the Kentucky cockroaches.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
98937 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:45 pm to
Starts thread about a Kentucky coach. Complains about Kentucky fans responding to it.

Y’all are too damn predictable.
Posted by Mojave1864
Vegoose
Member since Oct 2018
114 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:49 pm to
Yes and Wright’s tournament body of work is more impressive. And done within a considerably shorter amount of time.

Serious question, are you retardrd?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
98937 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:52 pm to
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Wright’s tournament body of work is more impressive.




quote:

And done within a considerably shorter amount of time.




quote:

Serious question, are you retardrd?


Oh man. The jokes write themselves around here.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 2:53 pm
Posted by dlc83
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
1829 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:53 pm to
God, I hate having to defend Cal as a basketball coach, but

He’s been successful at every stop in his career;
He’s been to multiple final fours at different schools
Routinely wins the SEC and gets his team to at least the Elite 8.
National Championship.
His recruiting style means he has constant turnover, forcing him to coach true freshman for their one year. His teams always get better as the season progresses.

Finally, he’s honest about his approach to the game in gettting his players as fast as possible to the Green Room. K still acts like he is the “leader of Men” at the higher institute of learning at Duke University, when most of his players go to Central U during their six months on campus.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
98937 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:55 pm to
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God, I hate having to defend Cal as a basketball coach, but


I’ll send you one of those Lush shower bombs for Christmas so you can get good and clean afterward.
Posted by Acc fan
Member since Nov 2018
146 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:56 pm to
Calipari is not overrated fool he is a top 5 coach in mens basketball and would be a good NBA coach aswell
Posted by MeatPants
Member since Nov 2015
8853 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:03 pm to
He’s already been in nba. Didn’t work out that well
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:08 pm to
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God, I hate having to defend Cal as a basketball coach, but

He’s been successful at every stop in his career;
He’s been to multiple final fours at different schools
Routinely wins the SEC and gets his team to at least the Elite 8.
National Championship.
His recruiting style means he has constant turnover, forcing him to coach true freshman for their one year. His teams always get better as the season progresses.

Finally, he’s honest about his approach to the game in gettting his players as fast as possible to the Green Room. K still acts like he is the “leader of Men” at the higher institute of learning at Duke University, when most of his players go to Central U during their six months on campus.


Fair enough, especially the part where you make fun of Ratface. I think most people agree on the facts (I'm not entirely on board with the "always" part of getting better over the course of the season.) The debate here is one of comparative quality. Nobody questions his success. What's being discussed is whether his success is as high is it should/could be given the talent he's had. In other words, at least how I'd put it, if you knew everything about Cal, including his classes and his places of employment, except the results, would you guess he'd have better results, similar results, or worse results than he's actually had?

Edit: Just to be clear, you'd have every other bit of context as well, so you'd know how well Duke, Kansas, and UNC have done, how good or bad the SEC has been, etc.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 3:10 pm
Posted by dlc83
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
1829 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:11 pm to
Bottom line: it’s not easy getting to the Elite 8; Final 4; and National Championship in a one and done tournament format.

Take Vandy as an example. They have an excellent basketball tradition and historic gym. Yet, they’ve only been to 3 or 4 Sweet Sixteens. Never higher. They’ve had great coaches over the past 30 years (Newton, Fogler, Stallings, Bryce) yet they’ve never broken through. I believe they were even a number one seed during one of the Fogler years and didn’t make it past the 2nd round.

Take Vandy’s history and compare it to Cal’s. No comparison. So, lay off the simplister “overrated” chant on the Rant.
Posted by Mojave1864
Vegoose
Member since Oct 2018
114 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:14 pm to
Well I’ve learned something new today, in Kentucky basketball / Calipari apoligists’ world, ultimate success is not measured by titles. How close you get to the title is given just as much weight. Calipari is a great coach. He almost wins championships every five or six years. It really doesn’t matter that other coaches have multiple titles, that’s immaterial. What’s important is how close Cal gets us, and his almost-titles. He’s elite.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:14 pm to
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quote:
Serious question, are you retardrd?



Oh man. The jokes write themselves around here.


I go by the two key rule. If the typo is more than two keys away, it's fair game to make fun of. Closer, I give them a pass because sometimes your fingers just don't hit exactly right and you submit too quickly to proof.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
98937 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:21 pm to
I used the rest of his post for context. Figured it was a semi-safe assumption.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 4:11 pm to
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ed it was a semi-safe assumption.




Fair enough. Typo forgiveness values are deeply personal and I shouldn't be trying to impose mine on others.
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