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re: Is Texas High School Football Overrated?
Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:36 pm to UTprideofTX
Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:36 pm to UTprideofTX
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7v7 changed the game a lot here. A lot for finesse football focused on offense vs. The old days of smashmouth offense & defense.
A lot of truth to this. Texas high school football has lost a lot of physicality since spread offenses trickled down and now dominate the state. It’s not that the kids are any less talented, it’s just that they spend waay too much time learning pass pro now and very little time learning how to pancake the guy in front of you. Run blocking like a road grader is a lost art among more and more high school linemen. Texas Longhorn football has paid the price for that neglect over the past 20 years. The OL kids aren’t tough anymore because they don’t know how to be tough. They are bigger, stronger, and faster but can’t move the pile when they need it. It’s a shame.
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Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:43 pm to TexasTiger08
Pretty sure Chase came from Rummel in Metairie, LA
Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:47 pm to phil4bama
The truth is that there is a lot of potential throughout all levels of Texas HSFB. However, the sips have missed out on most of the initial talent, and their roster is filled with overrated kids (due to that Texas offer) that had potential, but have not been developed at all. Texas will never develop anyone, because the entitlement is a way of life in Austin. A&M and OU have done a good job with recruits from the state.
BTW, we call it the "Texas bump". Or more recently Hookfined. It's why Texas is never better than mediocre (much of their class is overrated)
BTW, we call it the "Texas bump". Or more recently Hookfined. It's why Texas is never better than mediocre (much of their class is overrated)
Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:52 pm to ShowMeHorns
Hell yeah we do Clowney lattimore,hopk8ns
Posted on 8/25/21 at 11:01 pm to ShowMeHorns
Posted on 8/25/21 at 11:31 pm to aggressor
The state of Florida and not Texas has The most players in the NFL so that's all we need to know for which state has the most elite players that are good enough to make ot to the NFL.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 1:29 am to Mulkey Man
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Pretty sure Chase came from Rummel in Metairie, LA
Yeah maybe he met J. Adams. He's from texas and was a great LSU tiger.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 5:12 am to ClemsonMatt
We know Clemson is
Posted on 8/26/21 at 5:26 am to FLObserver
I grew up in Ohio, played football at Florida, moved to California and now live in Texas. Talent can come from anywhere. Ohio used to be a LB factory. Heck Samoa is putting out football players on a small island. Kids are copycats. They see others have success and they want to follow.
Sheer numbers, California, Texas and Florida have a lot of football players. Texas kids are more prepared as they've been in the same system since grade school. Florida kids are just raw but have tremendous upside. Cali kids are in between. Im generalizing a lot.
Football is global today, so it really doesnt matter if you get linemen from Florida, QBs from Texas, WRs from Cali and kickers from Australia. Can you coach them up to fit your system?
Sheer numbers, California, Texas and Florida have a lot of football players. Texas kids are more prepared as they've been in the same system since grade school. Florida kids are just raw but have tremendous upside. Cali kids are in between. Im generalizing a lot.
Football is global today, so it really doesnt matter if you get linemen from Florida, QBs from Texas, WRs from Cali and kickers from Australia. Can you coach them up to fit your system?
Posted on 8/26/21 at 5:31 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
In Ohio we were taught to hate our opponent. In Florida we were taught to disrespect and talk trash to your opponent. In Texas we were courteous and polite with our opponent. Even the cheerleaders would switch sides and cheer on the other side for the opponent. WTH? I still cant figure that one out.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 5:47 am to ClemsonMatt
I think Texas high school football was better overall before the spread offense took over.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 5:55 am to ClemsonMatt
If you would take the land mass of Texas and put it over the Southeast, this area puts out 3 times what Texas does in athletes. I would recruit this area every time before I went into Texas. Texas high school football is not better than Southeast, by far.
This post was edited on 8/26/21 at 6:00 am
Posted on 8/26/21 at 5:59 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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In Ohio we were taught to hate our opponent
I did to..... Football is still a way of life there. small towns still shut down on friday nights there, i.e., Massillon and Ironton, where i went.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 6:05 am to ClemsonMatt
Texas has great high school talent. The sooners do great in texas and most of their best players are from texas, usually, not always.. Alabama has hit Texas hard for the last couple of years and most the players from there seem to good players and who play hard and are not complete head cases, Except Crazy Tony Brown, dude be crazy.. I think what happens is the recruiting service's say so and so is the tackle in texas and so some boosters calls texas coaches and say offer that guy, when in truth that guy is not the best Tackle in Texas not even close... This happens at UGA too.. There is so many good players in texas that it is hard for texas to actually know how good a player will be two or three years out of high school...
Posted on 8/26/21 at 6:11 am to ClemsonMatt
To a degree, as others have said, yes. The same, I might add, as players from Florida and California. Those states do churn out a butt load of football talent every year but because they are football hot beds and huge states the middle tier players get nudged up just a bit.
Add to that everyone fishes in those ponds. Florida and Texas are recruited nationally by every Division 1 program and California basically keeps the entire West supplied with football players. Oregon's roster looks like California North this year as an example.
Louisiana and Alabama punch above their weight class in turning out football talent but with far fewer programs fishing in their water LSU and the Tide have a much better chance of landing the best in state recruits along with getting to fish outside of the state for talent. Both schools have recent Natty's to show for it.
As for UT... the Horns are weird. I don't just mean Austin, Tx weird either. They'll have a long run of thunderous mediocrity followed by a decent spell of being really good, only to go back to being painfully average.
Add to that everyone fishes in those ponds. Florida and Texas are recruited nationally by every Division 1 program and California basically keeps the entire West supplied with football players. Oregon's roster looks like California North this year as an example.
Louisiana and Alabama punch above their weight class in turning out football talent but with far fewer programs fishing in their water LSU and the Tide have a much better chance of landing the best in state recruits along with getting to fish outside of the state for talent. Both schools have recent Natty's to show for it.
As for UT... the Horns are weird. I don't just mean Austin, Tx weird either. They'll have a long run of thunderous mediocrity followed by a decent spell of being really good, only to go back to being painfully average.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 6:11 am to dirty bastard
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If you would take the land mass of Texas and put it over the Southeast, this area puts out 3 times what Texas does in athletes. I would recruit this area every time before I went into Texas. Texas high school football is not better than Southeast, by far.
Wow, who could imagine an entire section of the entire USA consisting of multiple states could put out more athletes than one state. Not sure that's the dig you think it is. Texas highschool football is the standard. Athletes come from everywhere, Florida, California, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Kansas, Alabama...it doesn't matter.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 6:18 am to ShowMeHorns
The Southeastern football is the standard, always has and always will. The only reason Texas puts out the # they do is because of size of the state, that's why I said put the same land mass over the Southeast and Texas is left in the dust. Not saying TX doesn't churn out any athletes, just not as much as the Southeast.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 6:25 am to ClemsonMatt
Yes. I watch a lot of high school ball, and the spread offense has ruined high school ball
In Texas. Linemen no longer get taught blocking fundamentals, and the TE position is all but extinct. Most schools where I live have 10-15 wide receivers and these tend to be the most talented players on the field. Traditionally many of these kids would have played LB, CB or Safety.
If there is a good QB on the team that can run the spread, rarely can the 2nd or 3rd string make the throws if #1 gets hurt.
The spread has ruined HS ball in Texas, IMO.
In Texas. Linemen no longer get taught blocking fundamentals, and the TE position is all but extinct. Most schools where I live have 10-15 wide receivers and these tend to be the most talented players on the field. Traditionally many of these kids would have played LB, CB or Safety.
If there is a good QB on the team that can run the spread, rarely can the 2nd or 3rd string make the throws if #1 gets hurt.
The spread has ruined HS ball in Texas, IMO.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 6:35 am to Mulkey Man
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Pretty sure Chase came from Rummel in Metairie, LA
Yeah, not sure who I mixed him up with.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:29 am to ClemsonMatt
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Is the talent in that state just not what it’s hyped up to be? What gives?
According to Deion Sanders, he said the money, pageantry and stadiums were Texas but the best athletes were out of Florida.
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