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re: Is McElwain really the best Florida can do?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:04 pm to flagator25
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:04 pm to flagator25
My question is about the buyout. I thought I saw some Bama posters saying that McElwain has a huge buyout for a mid-tier college coach.
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:05 pm to socraticsilence
No, but he would be on the list. Bama in it's current state could pull off stealing someone a bit easier, Florida still requires a rebuild.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:05 pm to randomways
think i've read it was several million dollars ... in the $7 million range or so ... not sure ...
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:07 pm to ForeverGator
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Is McElwain really the best Florida can do?
Yes, Thanks for Boom
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:10 pm to ForeverGator
i'd be a whole lot more comfortable with mac than i would kirby. mac has gotten his feet wet and done well.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:10 pm to tiderider
i'd be fine with jm as coach ... if saban died tomorrow, who could we hire? ... fisher? ... spurrier? ... home run hires are rare and mostly luck ... bama fans won't admit that, but it's the truth ... i'd argue saban wasn't a home run hire ... no one knew he'd rattle off the string of success he has ...
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:15 pm to crimsontater
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i'd be a whole lot more comfortable with mac than i would kirby. mac has gotten his feet wet and done well.
Same
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:23 pm to Bham Bammer
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I do think Florida is the kind of place where you should be able to hire someone who has proven themselves at the highest level, though
How often does this happen?
I mean everyone says it likes it's fricking automatic, but it doesn't happen that often.
Texas gets Strong. Are they not good enough to get a proven coach who's "done it at the highest level"?
How about USC? Sarkisian is the best the can do?
Michigan? Rich Rod? Hoke? That's the highest level?
Face it. It's a fricking myth. Coaches that are worth their salt at the highest level don't leave. If they do, they are past their prime or heading to the NFL. Money is even and is no longer a true factor. With the playoff, anyone can win a championship.
Big programs get coaches with potential from good programs and hope they turn out great.
That's how things work these days.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:39 pm to NeathOrangeandBlue
quote:Not sure if super aids exist or csu board does
That's exactly what they've been saying on the Colarado State Boards about UF (and yes, that's a thing )
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:43 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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How often does this happen?
Occasionally.
Obviously Bama hit the biggest of homers when it got Saban, but even a couple years ago Arkansas lured a guy who had won the Big Ten a couple of times to come to their school and they didn't exactly have a lot going for them at the time. When I speak of a coach who has done it at the highest level, I'm not talking about hiring one of the five or six elite names. I'm just talking about guys who have a proven track record in a power conference. I'm not sure why that seems so unrealistic to you.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:55 pm to Bham Bammer
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Occasionally.
Obviously Bama hit the biggest of homers when it got Saban, but even a couple years ago Arkansas lured a guy who had won the Big Ten a couple of times to come to their school and they didn't exactly have a lot going for them at the time. When I speak of a coach who has done it at the highest level, I'm not talking about hiring one of the five or six elite names. I'm just talking about guys who have a proven track record in a power conference. I'm not sure why that seems so unrealistic to you.
Well, you listed two. Saban was fortuitous. Bielema, less so. He was coming from a situation where he was in the shadow of the AD and being given a lot less resources than someone with his track record would expect to get from their department at most major programs. Arkansas got a bit lucky there -- successful coaches at major programs tend to get what they ask for from their departments, so candidates like him don't happen nearly as often as you'd think.
Or take Miles. His record at OSU was 28-21. That was not an intuitive hire for a program not far off a national title. But he panned out (and, no, I have no intention of getting into a debate with the schizophrenic Tiger fanbase. Yes, he's earned much of the criticism he gets, but the difference between being a good hire and a disaster is significant, and Miles hasn't been a disaster regardless of one's opinions of his ability.)
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:59 pm to randomways
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My question is about the buyout. I thought I saw some Bama posters saying that McElwain has a huge buyout for a mid-tier college coach.
It is, but it is negotiable. Some suggestions that we can cut it in half and then play either a home & away or neutral site game with Colorado St. If we had to pay the full buyout I don't think he would have been considered.
As for the hire, it is not what I was expecting but I think he can be great. He is an offensive coach which is important at UF, with head coaching and SEC experience. I think Gator fans have mixed emotions right now, but when the dust settles will be happy with the guy.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:04 pm to KCTigerFan212
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Another Florida school hired a former Saban assistant and he's doing just fine.
To be fair Bobby hired Jimbo not FSU.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:05 pm to randomways
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Well, you listed two.
Jesus, you want me to list all of them? That would take up a lot of space.
Again, I like McElwain. He might do better at Florida than Kelly would. There's no way of knowing. But in terms of a track record, there are a lot of guys out there (not two or three) that have proven more than he has. On the other hand, lots of those guys also have baggage, which you aren't going to have with a guy who has only been a HC for three years and at a lower level.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:09 pm to bgator85
I have to laugh at fellow Gator fans who are making judgment calls about potential hires. Foley has enough intel to make a wise choice...does it mean we win a NC in two or three years? Maybe not, but if he gets UF going in the right direction...then Im all in.
UF needs a coach who isn't too old to recruit his butt off.....check
who is offensive minded....double check
who will do things the right way and run a solid program without police blotter stories every week .....?
BTW the buyout is negotiable and Id rather play Colorado State at neutral site or even in Ft Collins if we save $$$ If JM can make the offense score 8-10 more points a game the fans will be happy and we start expanding Ben Hill.
UF needs a coach who isn't too old to recruit his butt off.....check
who is offensive minded....double check
who will do things the right way and run a solid program without police blotter stories every week .....?
BTW the buyout is negotiable and Id rather play Colorado State at neutral site or even in Ft Collins if we save $$$ If JM can make the offense score 8-10 more points a game the fans will be happy and we start expanding Ben Hill.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:10 pm to bgator85
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It is, but it is negotiable. Some suggestions that we can cut it in half and then play either a home & away or neutral site game with Colorado St. If we had to pay the full buyout I don't think he would have been considered.
As for the hire, it is not what I was expecting but I think he can be great. He is an offensive coach which is important at UF, with head coaching and SEC experience. I think Gator fans have mixed emotions right now, but when the dust settles will be happy with the guy.
Those would work. Of course, without McElwain, CSU would probably get slaughtered, but that's the way it goes.
I just looked his his career. The only thing that would make me nervous is the guy is very much a Midwest guy, which suggests, Bama career aside, that he has few in-roads into Southeast and Florida recruiting. Obviously UF sells itself to a great extent, especially with Florida recruits, but experience with a region counts for a lot. He'd need to hire a slam-dunk assistant or two who possess ties to the area and the local recruiting scene.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:17 pm to ForeverGator
Freezus thought so but he thanks you for the interest (to the tune of +$4M annually) 
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:17 pm to randomways
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few in-roads into Southeast and Florida recruiting
That's a problem. If he keeps Durkin on like someone else said, I'm sure that'll help keep the defense recruits flowing in, but the main problem is offensive recruits which haven't exactly been home runs under Muschamp. It makes it tough when nobody knew what direction the offense was heading. And Roper is the one who really gets hung out to dry here, ventured out away from Duke only to be out of a job possibly after a year.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:39 pm to boXerrumble
I liked him. Thought he was a bit conservative at Alabama, but seems like a cool guy. Not a lot of options right now bud.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:58 pm to randomways
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I just looked his his career. The only thing that would make me nervous is the guy is very much a Midwest guy, which suggests, Bama career aside, that he has few in-roads into Southeast and Florida recruiting. Obviously UF sells itself to a great extent, especially with Florida recruits, but experience with a region counts for a lot. He'd need to hire a slam-dunk assistant or two who possess ties to the area and the local recruiting scene.
It looks like he will be keeping some of the defensive assistants so that will certainly help. I think I also read that while at Bama he was a highly thought of recruiter and did a lot of Florida recruiting.
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