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re: Is it SEC Championship or Bust for LSU in 2016
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:05 pm to RB10
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:05 pm to RB10
quote:Stallings
I never even responded to the OP. I responded to the idiotic comment that he can't win without good QB play.
If they can name one coach who's done what Miles has, in the last 25 years, without good QB play, other than Saban, I'll digress. The thing is, they can't.
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:06 pm to MontyFranklyn
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It is rather easy to understand. All of these things are true.
Wow......
They, literally, can't all be true. That was the point.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:08 pm to MontyFranklyn
Fewer titles. That's all that matters, right?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:08 pm to bamasgot13
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recruit better players at the position
I am not really sure what the problem really has been. It's been downhill (except Mett) since 2008 when Perriloux had to be kicked off. QB play before that under Miles was fine. 4 star ish QBs have been signed since then, but none have panned out. I really can't say if it is bad recruiting or lack of development. It's hard to tell tbh.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:08 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Stallings
Please provide Stalling accolades while he was at Bama, for 6 seasons. Then we can provide Miles', for comparison purposes.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:09 pm to cas4t
quote:I don't think that for a 2nd. Losing to Arky at home and Ole Miss got lots of people riled up. I think it had more to do with the fan base thinking that Ole Miss had jumped LSU as 2nd in the conference and they were fearful that LSU was on the tdecline
If you think folks would have legitimately called for his head with LSU going 11-1, with the only loss being to Bama, then idk if there's any help for you.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:11 pm to cas4t
He averaged 10 wins a year at Bama
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1990 Alabama 7–5 5–2 T–3rd L Fiesta
1991 Alabama 11–1 6–1 2nd W Blockbuster 5 5
1992 Alabama 13–0 8–0 1st (West) W Sugar† 1 1
1993 Alabama 9–3–1* 6–1–1* 2nd (West)* W Gator† 13 14
1994 Alabama 12–1 8–0 1st (West) W Florida Citrus 4 5
1995 Alabama‡ 8–3 5–3 T–2nd (West) 21
1996 Alabama 10–3 6–2 T–1st (West) W Outback 11 11
Alabama: 70–16–1 44–9–1
Total: 97–61–2
National championship Conference title Conference division title
†Indicates Bowl Coalition, Bowl Alliance, BCS, or CFP / New Years' Six bowl.
#Rankings from final Coaches Poll.
°Rankings from final AP Poll.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:11 pm to MontyFranklyn
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I think it had more to do with the fan base thinking that Ole Miss had jumped LSU as 2nd in the conference and they were fearful that LSU was on the tdecline
Yea, no one was worried Ole Miss had jumped LSU. Do you want to continue attempting to put yourself in the mind of an LSU fan, or would you like to actually know what LSU fans really thought?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:12 pm to cas4t
quote:Well they were able to do something for the past 2 seasons that LSU hadn't done in five so..........
Yea, no one was worried Ole Miss had jumped LSU. Do you want to continue attempting to put yourself in the mind of an LSU fan, or would you like to actually know what LSU fans really thought?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:13 pm to MontyFranklyn
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He averaged 10 wins a year at Bama
You've made it clear winning 10 games a year isn't "winning consistently" without titles.
He has 1 in 6, Miles has 2 in 11.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:15 pm to RB10
quote:Wow. I clearly stated that MILES DOESN'T WIN THE SEC CONSISTENTLY. And that is partly due to Saban. Sheesh
You've made it clear winning 10 games a year isn't "winning consistently" without titles.
He has 1 in 6, Miles has 2 in 11.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:20 pm to MontyFranklyn
Gene Stallings
61%
Les Miles
72%
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97–61–2
61%
Les Miles
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139–53
72%
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:21 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Wow. I clearly stated that MILES DOESN'T WIN THE SEC CONSISTENTLY. And that is partly due to Saban. Sheesh
Actually, this is what you said:
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Saban has proven that he can consistently win without an elite or stellar qb. He won more SEC championships without great qb play than he has with it.
Which was also wrong.
2009: 2631 17 5
2011: 2797 16 8
2012: 3052 31 3
2014: 3890 32 10
2015: 3407 22 10
You also said this:
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What applies to Alabama isn't universal to the rest of the SEC nor the country. Just because Alabama doesn't need a qb doesn't mean LSU doesn't either.
The first being the "no shite" statement of the decade. The second having been proven wrong, which was my entire point.
Have a good day.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:22 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Well they were able to do something for the past 2 seasons that LSU hadn't done in five so..........
I don't know what to tell you. I'm an LSU fan. I have LSU fan friends. I have LSU fans/alumni in my family. No one was worried LSU had been passed by Ole Miss. I pinky promise.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:29 pm to cas4t
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I don't know what to tell you. I'm an LSU fan. I have LSU fan friends. I have LSU fans/alumni in my family. No one was worried LSU had been passed by Ole Miss. I pinky promise.
We're arguing with a guy who says Miles can't win consistently because he hasn't done what Nick Saban has. You know, the coach overseeing the most dominant run in CFB history......
I think it's time to let this one go.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:31 pm to RB10
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Saban has proven that he can consistently win without an elite or stellar qb. He won more SEC championships without great qb play than he has with it.
Clearly the conversation was about winning SEC titles. How did you gloss over that?
quote:If you call G-Mac great then I don't know what to tell you
Which was also wrong.
2009: 2631 17 5
2011: 2797 16 8
2012: 3052 31 3
2014: 3890 32 10
2015: 3407 22 10
I would like to see how many of those yards in 09 were from slants to Julio and screen passes We didn't win the SEC in 2011 so........
2014, 2015 teams didn't have elite QBs. One is back in Tuscaloosa and the other will back shortly
So with elite QB play, which is with McCarron, Saban has won a whopping one SEC championship
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:33 pm to RB10
quote:Why do you keep trying to leave off the key part about winning the SEC. I said he can't win the SEC consistently.
We're arguing with a guy who says Miles can't win consistently because he hasn't done what Nick Saban has. You know, the coach overseeing the most dominant run in CFB history......
I think it's time to let this one go.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:37 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Why do you keep trying to leave off the key part about winning the SEC. I said he can't win the SEC consistently.
You're criteria was "without good QB play". Let's not forget that little fact.
So, in 25 years one coach has won the SEC more than Miles without good QB play. Which makes your definition of "consistent without good QB play" unrealistic. Which is the entire point.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:37 pm to cas4t
quote:You clearly said, "while at Bama", but you give the record of his total career which includes his time at A&M. You also put in Lester's total career stats which include his stint at Oklahoma State. While at LSU he was 112 - 32 which is 77% Stallings at Bama was 70-16 which is 81%
Gene Stallings
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97–61–2
61%
Les Miles
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139–53
72%
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:40 pm to MontyFranklyn
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2014, 2015 teams didn't have elite QBs. One is back in Tuscaloosa and the other will back shortl
You called 2600 yards with 12 TDs "good" QB play for Miles.
What does that make these:
2012: 3052 31 3
2014: 3890 32 10
2015: 3407 22 10
ETA: Also, what does NFL careers have to do with elite play in college? You've moved the goalposts so many times I'm having trouble keeping up now.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 3:43 pm
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