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re: Is Avery Johnson's contract really 6 years 18 million?
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:45 pm to piggidyphish
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:45 pm to piggidyphish
Oh come on. People were flipping out about how much money Alabama was spending on a football coach.
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:48 pm to JuiceTerry
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Oh come on. People were flipping out about how much money Alabama was spending on a football coach.
At the time you hired him? I honestly don't remember but will take your word for it.
I don't care about all the extensions because length of time really doesn't matter as its his job for as long as he wants it and while incredibly high, probably worth it each time you guys throw another million or 2 at him.
I also find the comparison between saban and anyone pretty ludicrous. No exception here.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:50 pm to JuiceTerry
If in three years We are in the dance and go deep to the 16 or 8 they will tear his contract up and pay him real money.
I'm counting on it.
I'm counting on it.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:53 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
Thats a LOT of money for Avery.... his agent did a great job on this
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:55 pm to Herman Frisco
Avery Johnson sure has the SECRant natives riled up. Nickname should be Page View AJ.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:57 pm to elposter
Why on earth would I care if Avery Johnson is making $3M a year or $2.5M a year?
If he is a total disaster and we have to fire him and pay all of his salary, will we still have enough money to go hire another coach for $2.5-3 Million? Is the answer yes? Then why would I care?
If this makes it harder for Mississippi State to hire a coach then maybe you should stop being poor.
If he is a total disaster and we have to fire him and pay all of his salary, will we still have enough money to go hire another coach for $2.5-3 Million? Is the answer yes? Then why would I care?
If this makes it harder for Mississippi State to hire a coach then maybe you should stop being poor.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:58 pm to Herman Frisco
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If in three years We are in the dance and go deep to the 16 or 8 they will tear his contract up and pay him real money. I'm counting on it.
This.
Exactly what every fan on here would think of their team/coach. If Pearl gets us that far in the tourney, I would expect him to get a boost in his pay. UA and AU have had such bad teams lately. I am excited to think what the future brings.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:59 pm to piggidyphish
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Who was saying you could get saban for less? Especially at the time you hired him.
You are kidding right? To listen to people in the media in 2007 discussing Saban's salary at Alabama you would have thought we were destroying the NCAA with our lunatic agreement to pay him $4M.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:59 pm to InfernoOrangeSS
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UA and AU have had such bad teams lately. I am excited to think what the future brings.
Amen
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Avery Johnson @CoachAvery6 · 21m 21 minutes ago
It's time to #ROLLTIDE #BamaHoops @AlabamaMBB Bama fans can't wait to meet you!!
#RTR??
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:01 pm to yellowhammer2098
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Ah yes. Taking a page out of A&M's book and claiming you're overpaying an overrated coach because you're super rich
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:01 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Just sets a bad precedent. Our AD is over here making quality hires and it's costing us money when bad AD's drive up the price of doing business.
Your AD paid a coach that no program wanted to hire 3% of athletic revenue.
Bama paid 1.9% for their new HC.
It appears Bama has more than twice the revenue of MSU while Bama also paid less for their HC. Pay attention MSU, let the big boys show you how it is done.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:05 pm to Herman Frisco
We got a World Champion and NBA COTY for less than half of what we pay Saban. Great bargain, ROI will be ridiculous.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:08 pm to bona fide
And if we want to have a serious discussion about why Johnson is getting paid $3M a year
- Battle laid everything on the line with Marshall. The dollar figures, while estimates, were pretty public. Somewhere between $3.2-4.2M a year. So there was a baseline, wise or unwise.
- Johnson made $4M a year in Brooklyn
- Johnson's resume, regardless of whether you think it means anything at all to college ball or not, includes a lot of impressive bullet points that would be included and highlighted in any salary negotiation
- Alabama had already made it clear that we wanted to hire a big gun and were willing to spend money
But all that together and it seems to me that it would have been a pretty unnecessary risk given our cash position to try and squeeze a $2.5-2.75M salary. He was in all likelihood going to be meeting with Arizona State in the next week, and what if they swooped in and grabbed him and you lost your guy over $250K a year (pennies on the dollar for you department). What is the difference in $250-500K a year for 6 years for a guy you know you want when you are very comfortable paying him that much and comfortable in the ability of the department to continue at its normal pace if worst case happens and he must be fired after 3-4 years?
I know why this is message board fodder, because message boards are stupid, but if both sides agree that somebody is worth something and the entity has the funds to do it reasonably then I really don't see any issue. Sometimes paying a slight premium is worth it due to other factors. I'm 100% fine with it.
- Battle laid everything on the line with Marshall. The dollar figures, while estimates, were pretty public. Somewhere between $3.2-4.2M a year. So there was a baseline, wise or unwise.
- Johnson made $4M a year in Brooklyn
- Johnson's resume, regardless of whether you think it means anything at all to college ball or not, includes a lot of impressive bullet points that would be included and highlighted in any salary negotiation
- Alabama had already made it clear that we wanted to hire a big gun and were willing to spend money
But all that together and it seems to me that it would have been a pretty unnecessary risk given our cash position to try and squeeze a $2.5-2.75M salary. He was in all likelihood going to be meeting with Arizona State in the next week, and what if they swooped in and grabbed him and you lost your guy over $250K a year (pennies on the dollar for you department). What is the difference in $250-500K a year for 6 years for a guy you know you want when you are very comfortable paying him that much and comfortable in the ability of the department to continue at its normal pace if worst case happens and he must be fired after 3-4 years?
I know why this is message board fodder, because message boards are stupid, but if both sides agree that somebody is worth something and the entity has the funds to do it reasonably then I really don't see any issue. Sometimes paying a slight premium is worth it due to other factors. I'm 100% fine with it.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:09 pm to piggidyphish
quote:You weren't around here when the Bammers sold their sole to Satan.
At the time you hired him? I honestly don't remember but will take your word for it. I don't care about all the extensions because length of time really doesn't matter as its his job for as long as he wants it and while incredibly high, probably worth it each time you guys throw another million or 2 at him. I also find the comparison between saban and anyone pretty ludicrous. No exception here.
Looking back in hind-sight it was the best damn finanical decision UA has done in school history.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:UA AD is financially comfortable, maybe that has some rival folks perturbed? Maybe that's why it matters to them what UA pays their coaches?
What is the difference in $250-500K a year for 6 years for a guy you know you want when you are very comfortable paying him that much and comfortable in the ability of the department to continue at its normal pace if worst case happens and he must be fired after 3-4 years?
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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- Johnson made $4M a year in Brooklyn
and went 24-58 and 22-44 in both years. Not a very good selling point.
I also think Alabama could easily have told Avery that 3-4M for Marshall was well worth it because he's a proven coach on the college level.
The rest of your post is speculation but I see where you're coming from. It's all speculation at this point.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:14 pm to RT1941
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UA AD is financially comfortable, maybe that has some rival folks perturbed? Maybe that's why it matters to them what UA pays their coaches?
We make tons of money and have generally invested that money wisely. We aren't begging for SECN checks to help pay off our long term debt. When you do that you get the opportunity it pay a premium for a risk/reward type guy like this.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:17 pm to cas4t
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and went 24-58 and 22-44 in both years. Not a very good selling point.
I also think Alabama could easily have told Avery that 3-4M for Marshall was well worth it because he's a proven coach on the college level.
The rest of your post is speculation but I see where you're coming from. It's all speculation at this point.
Again, I'm not arguing he is WORTH $3M a year. In a perfect world where I am putting together a valuation model I'd probably land somewhere around $2.5-2.75M or so (right around Pearl, Barnes level). But, we had already shown our hand, we apparently very much wanted him and there was a chance that other suitors (Arizona State specifically) could show up at any minute. They paid him $3M for the same reason I didn't haggle over the final $5K when I bought my house. I wanted it, I was comfortable with what I was paying from my personal financial situation and the risk of haggling and losing it was higher than the reward of the $5K spread over 30 years.
It's really pretty simple.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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You are kidding right? To listen to people in the media in 2007 discussing Saban's salary at Alabama you would have thought we were destroying the NCAA with our lunatic agreement to pay him $4M.
No...not kidding.
So because it worked for saban, you guys didn't over pay this time?
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