re: Is Arkansas the Most Influential College Football State of All-Time? (Yes)

Hard to believe but Google Images for both.

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Hard to believe but Google Images for both.

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You put that together? It's uncanny.

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Sorry but I will argue ad nauseam that you can not change your logic year to year and claim "it was the system at the time". '64 we were undefeated, we beat the team you lost to. Stop fapping to your trophies and accept a consistent stream of logic.

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Alabama fans are not changing the criteria to "claim" titles. The AP and Coaches' Polls were the ones that used that method. I don't know how many times this has to be talked about. And we could very well have a modern example, if Alabama beats LSU, and the AP is still awarded to them.

The irony is that the AP changed their method for 1965, and it cost Arkansas an outright title. They were #1 entering the bowl season. However, they lost their bowl, and Alabama won their bowl, and the AP was awarded to Alabama for a second consecutive season. The AP went back to naming their champion prior to bowls again in 1966 (Notre Dame), and that cost Alabama a third straight title. From 1967 onward, the AP named their champion after the bowls.

I have never had a problem with split champions. That even goes for 1964, where Arkansas claims the FWAA and Grantland Rice Trophy. However, my opinion has changed somewhat because of Arkansas' fans insistence that Alabama fans shouldn't claim a title in a year in which 'Bama was awarded the AP and Coaches'. But, if Alabama does beat LSU, I won't have a problem with LSU taking the AP poll.

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FWAA and Grantland Rice Trophy

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Worthless. If you count that then you may a well start counting Dunkel

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However, my opinion has changed somewhat because of Arkansas' fans insistence that Alabama fans shouldn't claim a title in a year in which 'Bama was awarded the AP and Coaches'.

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And I don't think Bama fans should claim it becasue they lost that year.

The Associated Press presented the AP Trophy to the Alabama Crimson Tide due to their 10-0-0 regular season record and their #1 finish in the AP poll. The University of Arkansas also had a 10-0-0 regular season in 1964, but finished #2 in the final AP poll. On New Year's Day, the Crimson Tide lost to the #5 ranked Texas Longhorns in the Orange Bowl, to finish the season with a 10-1 record, and the Arkansas Razorbacks defeated the 7th ranked University of Nebraska 10-7 in the Cotton Bowl Classic.

Alabama fans claiming a title for a 10-1 season with an Orange Bowl loss is laughable to me.

"But the polls were before" cry me a river on that technicality, you still lost, and Arkansas did not. Who's the real champion?

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It's not a technicality. Bowls were not thought of in the same manner that they are thought of today.

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So they just played for fun and didn't try right?

Lol, it's certainly a technicality, 11-0>10-1.

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They all move on to be be successful. None but one on your list is even recognized in the same sentence as Arkansas.

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how many ignorant Corndogs are going to post moar stupid shite about the OP?

fricking read, it doesn't say the University of Arkansas, it says the State.

If not for the State of Arkansas, College Football wouldn't have half the history it has.

That's the damn point.

IDGAF if Bama claims a share of the '64 title. It was obviously a split title in '64 between Arkansas and Bama and those that were around then will tell you as much.