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Posted on 8/16/09 at 8:41 pm to inelishaitrust
will end up about the same place they did last year. top 20 or so. I think their are some silent commitments. If you read Rivals then you know there are about 5 or 6 four star players that are favoring OM and I'd bet with a strong year a few more will pop up on the radar. If you know anything about Nutt, he always, ALWAYS likes to intorduce several blue chip type guys the last day of signing to excite the fanbase. Om will always be around 20 to 30 b/c of their location and the amount of talent within 100 to 250 mile proximaty as well as leftovers from LA, TN, AL, GA, and FL. It really has nothing to do with the recruiting coach being good or average like alot of people think.
Another thing to look at is since we are in to Petrino's second full signing class just how much better of a recruiter is he than Nutt was at Ark? Jordan Rainy, no offers. Braylon Mitchell, Ark State offer, Cam Feldt, lower teir big12 offers. Brad Hefley, a handful of lower tier big12 offers such as Iowa State. #69th rated "athlete" not real impressive. Ueckman, only other offer Central Arkansas. Jeremiah Jackson, #37 rated Dt, had offers but it appears Auburn and Ole Miss have a handful of better Dt's or DE's to be built into DT's that project higher so he wasn't gonna play at those places. Chris Smith had a few lower tier Bcs offers and ranks as the #83 outside linbacker which doesn't impress.
Petrino has 1 of the Arkansas top 15 committed and most of them look to be going out of state.
Of the best Arkansas rated players committed, he is to Ole MIss.
So, on paper, Petrino's recruiting looks worse than Nutt at this stage in eaches Arkansas tenure.
Another thing to look at is since we are in to Petrino's second full signing class just how much better of a recruiter is he than Nutt was at Ark? Jordan Rainy, no offers. Braylon Mitchell, Ark State offer, Cam Feldt, lower teir big12 offers. Brad Hefley, a handful of lower tier big12 offers such as Iowa State. #69th rated "athlete" not real impressive. Ueckman, only other offer Central Arkansas. Jeremiah Jackson, #37 rated Dt, had offers but it appears Auburn and Ole Miss have a handful of better Dt's or DE's to be built into DT's that project higher so he wasn't gonna play at those places. Chris Smith had a few lower tier Bcs offers and ranks as the #83 outside linbacker which doesn't impress.
Petrino has 1 of the Arkansas top 15 committed and most of them look to be going out of state.
Of the best Arkansas rated players committed, he is to Ole MIss.
So, on paper, Petrino's recruiting looks worse than Nutt at this stage in eaches Arkansas tenure.
This post was edited on 8/16/09 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 8/16/09 at 8:48 pm to wildrebeltime
Two pages and not a single one of you knuckleheads have answered the question.
The answer is:
Arkansas has 7 evaluated players divided by a 8 commit total. We have one unevaluted player. Old Piss has 5 evaluated commits divided by 6. You get zero *'s for unevaluated talent.
If both schools unevaluated recruits receive 3*'s, and they will, then Old Piss and Arkansas will jump 25-30 slots. It's not as if we have 20 commits. These two schools have 5 and 8 and are being given zero *'s for unevaluated talent.
The answer is:
Arkansas has 7 evaluated players divided by a 8 commit total. We have one unevaluted player. Old Piss has 5 evaluated commits divided by 6. You get zero *'s for unevaluated talent.
If both schools unevaluated recruits receive 3*'s, and they will, then Old Piss and Arkansas will jump 25-30 slots. It's not as if we have 20 commits. These two schools have 5 and 8 and are being given zero *'s for unevaluated talent.
This post was edited on 8/16/09 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 8/16/09 at 8:54 pm to wildrebeltime
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Jordan Rainy, no offers
6'5 310
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Braylon Mitchell
Blew up the Arky camp
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Cam Feldt
Top 50 Texas and 4* eval
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Brad Hefley, a handful of lower tier big12 offers
Dude is a monster - watch his video, can play TE DE or LB
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Ueckman
LSU was his first offer
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Jeremiah Jackson
Top 15 in Alabama
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Chris Smith had a few lower tier Bcs offers
Watch his video - big, fast and hits like a motherfricker
Dyer will be a Hog
Posted on 8/16/09 at 9:01 pm to sugatowng
Jeremiah jacksons' best 2 offers at least that have a check in the box on rivals are Ole Miss and Auburn. Both of those programs have more talented Dt's in the talent pool ahead of him. Trust me, he was advised to find another place to commit. I'm not saying he won't be a good player or getting the #15 out of AL is a bad thing, but the other 2 offers he shows will bring in higher rated guys.
There are alot of linemen 310 ,6-5. In years past that would have been a 2 star player as well as Braylon and Ueckman. and no, Ueckman does not show to have a LSU offer. LSU has 2 TE commited that rank higher than him.
So, you are delusional if you think Petrino is recruiting better, on paper, than Nutt ever did. It's the same ole same ole Diamonds in the rough. However in this case, My money is on him not landing many of Arkansas' top 10 but rather replaceing them with flunk out juco's.
There are alot of linemen 310 ,6-5. In years past that would have been a 2 star player as well as Braylon and Ueckman. and no, Ueckman does not show to have a LSU offer. LSU has 2 TE commited that rank higher than him.
So, you are delusional if you think Petrino is recruiting better, on paper, than Nutt ever did. It's the same ole same ole Diamonds in the rough. However in this case, My money is on him not landing many of Arkansas' top 10 but rather replaceing them with flunk out juco's.
Posted on 8/16/09 at 9:02 pm to sugatowng
You are one retarded frick wild rebel 
Posted on 8/16/09 at 9:03 pm to Wild Thang
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You are one retarded frick wild rebel
He's pretty crazy.
Posted on 8/16/09 at 9:08 pm to wildrebeltime
We will sign 2 DT's for sure higher "rated" than Jackson...That doesn't make him less of a player and OM would love to have Jackson...Those MS boys you are referring too are not the locks you think they are
No...just no
And that just shows your "knowledge"...His FIRST offer was LSU...Just because it was removed from Rivals LSU site doesn't make what you are saying true...Rivals is your "inside source" HA
Didn't your boy just put 20 or so in MS JUCO's to "keep them in the family"?
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There are alot of linemen 310 ,6-5
No...just no
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nd no, Ueckman does not show to have a LSU offer
And that just shows your "knowledge"...His FIRST offer was LSU...Just because it was removed from Rivals LSU site doesn't make what you are saying true...Rivals is your "inside source" HA
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My money is on him not landing many of Arkansas' top 10 but rather replaceing them with flunk out juco's.
Didn't your boy just put 20 or so in MS JUCO's to "keep them in the family"?
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Posted on 8/16/09 at 9:20 pm to sugatowng
WRT at internetz work
Posted on 8/16/09 at 9:22 pm to sugatowng
I don't think he was offered by Lsu. I think he went to an Lsu camp or told someone he had an offer there. BUT *IF he were offered by LSU he'd most likely have more offers other than UCA. LSU has a TE committed with a ton of bcs offers. Anyway, *IF* he was offered it's probabaly not a real good sign LSU was offering an Arkansas kid before Petrino was like Ole Miss offered Mathews before Petrino. B/c often times, a kid gets that first bigtime offer and his heart get's set on that particular school not knowing if the home state school is going to offer. How many times do we read about "I committed here b/c they were the first to offer" So, all the sudden your behind b/c you thought you could get a better player somewhere else.
Your last thing is not logical b/c Nutt was only trying to build a relationship with juco coaches knowing some weren't going to qualify for Ole Miss. Petrino is trying to find juco's that will qualify and come in with the signing class b/c he's too dull of a personality and possibly even lazy to recruit and develop full qualifiers which is certainly harder than recruiting high risk players with baggage and only 2 years eligibilty b/c real programs don't recruit 6 juco's per class.
Your last thing is not logical b/c Nutt was only trying to build a relationship with juco coaches knowing some weren't going to qualify for Ole Miss. Petrino is trying to find juco's that will qualify and come in with the signing class b/c he's too dull of a personality and possibly even lazy to recruit and develop full qualifiers which is certainly harder than recruiting high risk players with baggage and only 2 years eligibilty b/c real programs don't recruit 6 juco's per class.
This post was edited on 8/16/09 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 8/16/09 at 9:31 pm to wildrebeltime
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I don't think
I agree with this
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*IF* he was offered it's probabaly not a real good sign LSU was offering an Arkansas kid before Petrino was like Ole Miss offered Mathews before Petrino
You do understand it's easier to "offer" out-of-state first? Right? You get that? You don't offer an in-state kid and not accept their offer...That won't work in AR anyway...
Ueckman did have an LSU offer...whether it was commitable at the time...who knows...but he still received an offer. I've talked to him...he's friends with my neighbor's son
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Petrino is trying to find juco's that will qualify and come in with the signing class b/c he's too dull of a personality and possibly even lazy to recruit and develop full qualifiers which is certainly harder than recruiting players with baggage b/c real programs don't recruit 6 juco's per class.
So...Petrino should just deal with the mass fail we had in the secondary from the previous staff and continue to play freshman and undersized non-sec players?
From your comments...You don't know much about Petrino at all as this staff is all over the country...They are film junkies...they are constantly evaluating....
Posted on 8/16/09 at 9:36 pm to wildrebeltime
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So, you are delusional if you think Petrino is recruiting better, on paper, than Nutt ever did. It's the same ole same ole Diamonds in the rough. However in this case, My money is on him not landing many of Arkansas' top 10 but rather replaceing them with flunk out juco's.
You realize Ole Miss's main pipeline is into Hargvave right?
Posted on 8/16/09 at 9:45 pm to Bum
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You realize Ole Miss's main pipeline is into Hargvave right?
Exactly...
Posted on 8/16/09 at 10:02 pm to wildrebeltime
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Jeremiah jacksons' best 2 offers at least that have a check in the box on rivals are Ole Miss and Auburn. Both of those programs have more talented Dt's in the talent pool ahead of him. Trust me, he was advised to find another place to commit. I'm not saying he won't be a good player or getting the #15 out of AL is a bad thing, but the other 2 offers he shows will bring in higher rated guys.
There are alot of linemen 310 ,6-5. In years past that would have been a 2 star player as well as Braylon and Ueckman. and no, Ueckman does not show to have a LSU offer. LSU has 2 TE commited that rank higher than him.
So, you are delusional if you think Petrino is recruiting better, on paper, than Nutt ever did. It's the same ole same ole Diamonds in the rough. However in this case, My money is on him not landing many of Arkansas' top 10 but rather replaceing them with flunk out juco's.
Dude, Nutt's "diamonds in the rough" stayed that way all throughout their careers.
Petrino's diamonds in the rough, so far, have either blown up their senior season and become highly recruited or shown up on campus and performed well. See Elton Ford, who is looking like he is going to be one of the best players on the team this coming year. A 2 star that no one had heard of before Petrino offered him. Or Brandon Mitchell. etc.
Oh, and if Petrino is so horrible a recruiter, why are there players on campus like Mitch Petrus saying that we are as deep on the offensive line with talent that he has seen in his career?
And lastly, I'll say again. Petrino is known for his ability to evaluate players. Go look and see where his Louisville recruiting classes were re-ranked. They went from ranked in the 40's on signing day to top 10 in the country after all the players graduated. So call me crazy, but I'm excited when I find out we've gotten a commit from a player we offered before their senior season. That means, the way Petrino recruits, that he is on the top of their list. That means he's good.
This post was edited on 8/16/09 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 8/16/09 at 10:09 pm to STEVED00
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I like the avatar logo. Where did you get it??
-STEVED00
Got it off a friend's site. I had it bookmarked but its gone now. I changed it up a bit is all.
Posted on 8/16/09 at 10:30 pm to SwineFlu
Players are going to say things to excite the fan base. It is what they are coached to do. Do you think the upperclassmen would rather play for Nutt or Petrino?
I dont' think we can say petrinos' diamonds in the rough have been that great yet. Elton ford broke his neck last year. He might be having a good practice but the jury is still out on him longterm
I am sorry but I am just not seeing a longterm winning recruiting strategy so far. I think 6 juco's is excessive. I guess we can get in to why juco's are bad investments for the longterm if we need to but do your homework on it first. You should be able to find some articles that talk about excessive amounts of Juco's leading to a program's decline. Declining for Arkansas would be like 10-38 over a 4 year period. Juco always leads to gradually getting younger amoung other things.
I dont' think we can say petrinos' diamonds in the rough have been that great yet. Elton ford broke his neck last year. He might be having a good practice but the jury is still out on him longterm
I am sorry but I am just not seeing a longterm winning recruiting strategy so far. I think 6 juco's is excessive. I guess we can get in to why juco's are bad investments for the longterm if we need to but do your homework on it first. You should be able to find some articles that talk about excessive amounts of Juco's leading to a program's decline. Declining for Arkansas would be like 10-38 over a 4 year period. Juco always leads to gradually getting younger amoung other things.
Posted on 8/16/09 at 10:35 pm to wildrebeltime
WRT, we get it. And no one gives two shits what you think. Seriously. Go troll Hogville.
Posted on 8/16/09 at 10:59 pm to Sao
never heard of it
Posted on 8/16/09 at 11:08 pm to wildrebeltime
www.hogville.net
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Kick rocks
Posted on 8/16/09 at 11:18 pm to Sao
Jackie Sherrill started to rely heavily on Jucos during his later years IIRC.
had like 2 or 3 straight 2/3 win seasons.
had like 2 or 3 straight 2/3 win seasons.
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