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Posted on 12/19/10 at 4:55 pm to adammwilson
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yeah and I' m not sure when the last time you watched Auburn is because you clearly are seeing something very different from the truth.
As a South Carolina fan, I can't tell you how long it's been since I watched an Auburn game
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and? You said it doesn't work in the NFL and it does.
You can't read do yo? I never said they aren't successful, I said that he won't be running these in the NFL. I should have clarified for the nick nitpicker that you are that no team runs these play several times a game as a part of their basic offensive philosophy. You seem to think that if a play is run 10 times and happens to work 1 of those times it means it's a worthy play and should be used often.
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based on what?
He will have started a grand total of 14 football games (frick JUCO games) after the NCG. He operates in a zone read option offense. Approximately 30-50% of his passes come on screens and playactions. He won't have wide receivers consistently getting wide open on almost every pass to throw to. Front 7's i nthe NFL won't try to arm tackle him - they will wrap his arse up and bring him down. Where is your basis for him being successful as a Quarterback?
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I won't disagree.
If you draft a player in the Top 15 with no intention of starting him or at the very least giving him a significant amount playing time (at least 15-20 snaps a game), then you don't need to be picking that player that high.
Posted on 12/19/10 at 4:58 pm to Jcorye1
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So had Tim Tebow, Tommy Frazier, Charlie Ward (though he chose NBA), and Danny Wuerffel. I'm sorry, but system QBs have never panned out in the NFL. Vick is the only QB right now that is different simply because of his athletic ability. I think it's worth a shot picking Cam, but I wouldn't put the stake of my franchise on him, which is what you do with a top 10-15 pick in the draft.
Everyone is a fricking system QB.
Both of you have a point.
Quarterbacks in offensive systems that don't share commonalities with NFL systems generally don't pan out.
However, every quarterback is in a different system in the NFL. Sure they share some of the same philosophies and plays (especially in the running game), but there are plenty of differences in reads and playcalling mainly due to the team's personnel.
Posted on 12/19/10 at 5:04 pm to GamecockAlum
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As a South Carolina fan, I can't tell you how long it's been since I watched an Auburn game
and other than that game how many did you watch?
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You can't read do yo? I never said they aren't successful, I said that he won't be running these in the NFL. I should have clarified for the nick nitpicker that you are that no team runs these play several times a game as a part of their basic offensive philosophy. You seem to think that if a play is run 10 times and happens to work 1 of those times it means it's a worthy play and should be used often.
I can read. You just need to be more specific. My point was is that teams do use them as you correctly stated not alot but the point still stands that they do.
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Where is your basis for him being successful as a Quarterback?
i'm not convinced he will be either. I'm simply saying he has alot of potential and has gotten alot better at throwing the ball since the beginning of the year. He has everything teams look for in franchise QB's it's just a matter of hoping it develops.
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If you draft a player in the Top 15 with no intention of starting him or at the very least giving him a significant amount playing time (at least 15-20 snaps a game), then you don't need to be picking that player that high.
that would be a HUGE mistake. Most QB's that are picked in the top 15 sit for at least part of a season.
Posted on 12/19/10 at 6:47 pm to adammwilson
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and other than that game how many did you watch?
Off the top of my head:
Both games against South Carolina
Mississippi St.
Clemson
Alabama
Arkansas
Georgia
Those are the ones I know I watched at least more than half of the games.
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I can read. You just need to be more specific. My point was is that teams do use them as you correctly stated not alot but the point still stands that they do.
I never said that they didn't, I'm just saying that he won't be running them (no more than two times a game) as they won't be part of teams main offensive plays. They may throw them in there once or twice just to see if you can hit a big play, but those plays are few and far in between in the NFL and they are basically 75% of Auburn's playbook.
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i'm not convinced he will be either. I'm simply saying he has alot of potential and has gotten alot better at throwing the ball since the beginning of the year. He has everything teams look for in franchise QB's it's just a matter of hoping it develops.
And I agree, minus the franchise quarterback part.
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that would be a HUGE mistake. Most QB's that are picked in the top 15 sit for at least part of a season.
Not in the last 5 years. Every since quarterback drafted in the top 15 since the 2005 draft has taken at least an average of 15-20 snaps per the 16 game season - at least 240 snaps. To not be so technical, all of them (with the exception of Jay Cutler and JaWalrus) played in at least 8 games for their team as well.
Posted on 12/19/10 at 7:40 pm to vol017
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I'm sorry, but system QBs have never panned out in the NFL
Drew Brees disagrees with you.
Posted on 12/19/10 at 8:23 pm to GamecockAlum
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Not in the last 5 years. Every since quarterback drafted in the top 15 since the 2005 draft has taken at least an average of 15-20 snaps per the 16 game season - at least 240 snaps. To not be so technical, all of them (with the exception of Jay Cutler and JaWalrus) played in at least 8 games for their team as well.
ok then he can at least learn for 10 weeks and still not break any "trends" so the point still stands. Sit him until week 10 or so and if you're out of playoff contention (pretty much at least) then play him and see how he does unless the coach thinks it would be detrimental.
Posted on 12/19/10 at 8:27 pm to adammwilson
If you are picking in the top 15 you generally have problems outside of quarterback. Newton won't be ready to start next year at all. Period.
Posted on 12/19/10 at 8:41 pm to GamecockAlum
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If you are picking in the top 15 you generally have problems outside of quarterback.
I couldn't disagree more. Let's look at the top 10 teams this year that will likely be picking (3 are tied for the 10 spot).
Panthers: got Clausen last year but he has played poorly. Leading many to believe they will give up on him and grab Andrew Luck.
Bengals: Have Carson Palmer but he has never been the same since tommy-john surgery.
Broncos: developing Tebow.
Cardinals: desperately need a qb. Derek Anderson is awful, Max Hall looks lost, and John Skelton needs to long to develop.
Bills: have Ryan Fitzpatrick who has been ok but they need an upgrade.
Lions: Stafford has been injured most of the year.
Vikings: Favre will be gone (so he says) and Jackson has proven time and again he is no starter.
Browns: Mccoy may be the answer.
Cowboys: have Romo
Texans: have Schaub
49ers: desperate for a qb. Alex Smith's time is about over. Troy Smith will likely stay on as a backup/ temporary starter if necessary.
Redskins: they're sick of Mcnabb. Desperate for a qb.
that's 7/13.
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Newton won't be ready to start next year at all. Period.
that's what people said about Tebow, Mccoy, etc....
Posted on 12/19/10 at 8:46 pm to yamammasprofile
I would be willing to take a chance on Newton in the mid to late 1st round but only if he were willing to contractually agree to move to TE at any time I desire as well as have a low amount of guaranteed money. It would be a very incentive laden contract.
This post was edited on 12/19/10 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 12/19/10 at 9:21 pm to Monticello
Because you can now trade for a guy like Matt Flynn.
Posted on 12/19/10 at 9:22 pm to yamammasprofile
B/C Newton equals Vince Young with a little better accuracy
This post was edited on 12/19/10 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 12/19/10 at 11:31 pm to adammwilson
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I couldn't disagree more. Let's look at the top 10 teams this year that will likely be picking (3 are tied for the 10 spot).
Panthers: got Clausen last year but he has played poorly. Leading many to believe they will give up on him and grab Andrew Luck.
Bengals: Have Carson Palmer but he has never been the same since tommy-john surgery.
Broncos: developing Tebow.
Cardinals: desperately need a qb. Derek Anderson is awful, Max Hall looks lost, and John Skelton needs to long to develop.
Bills: have Ryan Fitzpatrick who has been ok but they need an upgrade.
Lions: Stafford has been injured most of the year.
Vikings: Favre will be gone (so he says) and Jackson has proven time and again he is no starter.
Browns: Mccoy may be the answer.
Cowboys: have Romo
Texans: have Schaub
49ers: desperate for a qb. Alex Smith's time is about over. Troy Smith will likely stay on as a backup/ temporary starter if necessary.
Redskins: they're sick of Mcnabb. Desperate for a qb.
that's 7/13.
You do realize that you just confirmed my point right? Some of those teams do need a better quarterback, but quarterback isn't their only problem. Are you really that dense to believe that one rookie quarterback will completely make a team go from 1/2/3/4 wins to playoffs without other changes to the coaching staff/personnel?
As for Tebow and McCoy, I wasn't among them. Bot hof their teams have issues outside of just quarterback play and since they already have losing records and one, potentially both of them will have a new head coaches next year, their teams had nothing to lose by starting them.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 8:12 am to GamecockAlum
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You do realize that you just confirmed my point right?
how in the world do you figure that? I proved my point by proving the majority of the teams are desperate for QB's.
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Some of those teams do need a better quarterback, but quarterback isn't their only problem.
agreed but you could say that about every team with a need.
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Are you really that dense to believe that one rookie quarterback will completely make a team go from 1/2/3/4 wins to playoffs without other changes to the coaching staff/personnel?
no but why in the hell do you think the draft is 7 rounds and FA exists.
see the Rams/ Dolphins as recent examples of 1 year turn arounds.
This post was edited on 12/20/10 at 8:58 am
Posted on 12/20/10 at 8:20 am to yamammasprofile
Cam comes back to the pack in the pros. He is not the smartest guy (he's no Drew Brees) and that will be the reason him & cecil lawn care business is sucessful (does not take smarts to cut grass). All be it they will have the nicest fleet of John Deere lawn mowers in Ga.
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