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re: If Oklahoma joined SEC every team/school would literally lose money.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:53 am to cramps
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:53 am to cramps
Sadly, the school president is too much of a puss to go on his own. It's embarrassing. I'll rag on Aggies and Misery all day long, but like others have said on this thread, we can't seem to separate from puss officials who want to be joined at the hip with OSU, and needs Texas to be good.
Texas can survive on its own as an independent. Oklahoma and Texas don't want what's best for the other. Athletics wise, OU is just as good, perhaps even better as a whole. Academically, OU is nowhere near the prestige of Texas.
I want the Big 12 to dissipate. I want Oklahoma in the SEC if the opportunity strikes again. Geographically it makes sense. I just wish others would make sense of the whole thing.
Texas A&M pussed out but in the end not really; they are in an established, stable conference with more appeal, and that's a nice recruiting tactic for not just their athletics, but their academics.
Yeah, I despise anything Aggie, but at least they are in a better place now while the Big 12 parades itself as a worthy conference, when really it's a slowly dying breed.
Texas can survive on its own as an independent. Oklahoma and Texas don't want what's best for the other. Athletics wise, OU is just as good, perhaps even better as a whole. Academically, OU is nowhere near the prestige of Texas.
I want the Big 12 to dissipate. I want Oklahoma in the SEC if the opportunity strikes again. Geographically it makes sense. I just wish others would make sense of the whole thing.
Texas A&M pussed out but in the end not really; they are in an established, stable conference with more appeal, and that's a nice recruiting tactic for not just their athletics, but their academics.
Yeah, I despise anything Aggie, but at least they are in a better place now while the Big 12 parades itself as a worthy conference, when really it's a slowly dying breed.
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 8:14 am to Oklahomey
Texas could not survive as an independent because of their past behavior. They have burned enough bridges that many of their target opponents would blackball them.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 8:19 am to LSU GrandDad
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imo, Oklahoma joining the SEC would be the beginning of the end of the southeastern conference. let them frickers wither on their vine.
Nope. Letting in A&M and Mizzou in the east was the beginning of the end of the SEC.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 8:37 am to SavageOrangeJug
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If Oklahoma joined SEC every team/school would literally lose money.
Yes, those New Years Day Bowls, playoff appearances, and Sooners merchandise are real money losers compared to say Missouri?
OU would lose 4-5 games a year in SEC. One of the most overrated "powers" in college football. They are in the best conference for their on the field success.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:16 am to Oklahomey
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Yeah, I despise anything Aggie...
This what I don't get. Texas A&M and OU literally had no history between them before the formation of the XII. We had a home/home in 93 and 94 that we split, and the most recent previous meeting was in the 1950s.
We both have and had substantial history with tu, and both shared the same feelings for them. When the XII was formed all we heard for tu is how horrible the OU fan base was. But after we started playing OU annually I thought their fans were good folks based on personal interaction and experience. The entire time we were in the XII I never once had a bad experice with OU fans. We had a common bond with our total disdain for tu and their arrogance and "holier than thou" attitude. In fact, the only bad interactions that I've had with OU fans have been on this board.
Now why is that? It makes you wonder who is really who around here.
I had no problem with OU coming to the SEC with us 2011. In fact, I thought they were fools to not do so. Now, the only reason I don't want OU is the math. The numbers don't work in the current model. Maybe that will change someday, who knows?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:18 am to CharlotteSooner
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:20 am to Jmill88
You just did.... screw y'all. Theres only enough room in this conference for two tigers: LSU and Auburn
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:42 am to Cheese Grits
Yes CU did win the MNC with a fifth down. I think it still counts according to an almanac, cheese grits.
Split titles count too, just ask an LSU fan.
I still think OU V OSU is more like Alabama V Auburn. If you look again you'll see that I wrote it's more lopsided than Bama v auburn. I don't think records are the only indicator here. What does Auburn have that OSU doesn'? Heisman trophy....no,. The only thing i can see that Auburn has over the pokes is cam newton. He is the reason for auburn's first MNC.
Clearly English is not your thing.
KU is UK, dude. Don't look now but KSU DOES HAVE the wizard. The manhattan miracle is a pretty good story. Unfortunately for you that's the reality.
Split titles count too, just ask an LSU fan.
I still think OU V OSU is more like Alabama V Auburn. If you look again you'll see that I wrote it's more lopsided than Bama v auburn. I don't think records are the only indicator here. What does Auburn have that OSU doesn'? Heisman trophy....no,. The only thing i can see that Auburn has over the pokes is cam newton. He is the reason for auburn's first MNC.
Clearly English is not your thing.
KU is UK, dude. Don't look now but KSU DOES HAVE the wizard. The manhattan miracle is a pretty good story. Unfortunately for you that's the reality.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:29 pm to The Balinese Club
Despise is a little harsh. I wouldn't go that far. A lot of the hostility OU fans have toward Texas A&M was the Rhett Bomar/JD Quinn ordeal in 2006. It stemmed from the TexAgs board. I don't condone what those players did but it seemed the Aggies had it out for Oklahoma. Was it payback for the 2003 game? Who knows.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:33 pm to bayou85
One of the most overrated? Wow, you are quite clueless. Oklahoma is a top 5 all time program. Even with no national title since 2000, they still hold their own. You might want to rethink your words.
Remember, LSU trails Minnesota in national titles. Think about that....
Remember, LSU trails Minnesota in national titles. Think about that....
Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:07 pm to Oklahomey
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Despise is a little harsh. I wouldn't go that far. A lot of the hostility OU fans have toward Texas A&M was the Rhett Bomar/JD Quinn ordeal in 2006. It stemmed from the TexAgs board. I don't condone what those players did but it seemed the Aggies had it out for Oklahoma. Was it payback for the 2003 game? Who knows.
So you're pissed because a poster for Texags WHO WORKED AT BIG RED WHERE THIS TOOK PLACE posted what he saw, was subsequently banned, and was then reinstated 9 months later when the suspension came down?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:30 pm to sows
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Yes CU did win the MNC with a fifth down. I think it still counts according to an almanac
Agree, just pointing out that outside of maybe 1 good decade of football the Buffs have pretty much blown goats at the national level. When they joined the old Big 8 shortly after WWII they had no history
The broader point was if not for the 5th down the Bumbles would have the unified title and that success was more the exception than the rule.
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I still think OU V OSU is more like Alabama V Auburn.
When it gets to 50 / 50 or at least 60 / 40 I will take your post more seriously
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What does Auburn have that OSU doesn'?
One of the biggest college football stadiums in the middle of no where which tells me they have much stronger fan base to draw from. Without TBP, Pokes would still be the poop running down the Sooners arse crack.
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Heisman trophy
Until lately the Heisman trophy was very anti south. If you are using that as a gauge, you need to clear your head.
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He is the reason for auburn's first MNC
Auburn's first MNC was 1957, pretty sure Cam Newton had nothing to do with it
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Clearly English is not your thing.
Clearly reading english is not your thing
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KU is UK, dude.
While this is clearly the Mizzou view, you would be wrong. Historically two crappy football teams in the USA were Top 25 every year in football attendance and both are in the SEC. One was South Carolina and the other was Kentucky. Prior to Joker taking over at UK it was not uncommon for UK to put 70K + in CWS and pretty sure KU has not been able to match that even when they had their fat man.
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Don't look now but KSU DOES HAVE the wizard.
If you read my posts on here I always give credit where credit is due when it comes to the Purple Wizard. The problem for KSU is what happens when he dies or retires the second time.
In short the B12 was good when they still had 4 big state schools to anchor them one of whom was a certifiable brand. Replacing them with another Baylor in TCU and a tiny state school in WV changed that forever. B12 today is just a two team conference that less and less of the country are tuning in to watch. B12 leadership in 2010 killed the golden goose and will not return to their former glory.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:32 pm to Oklahomey
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Remember, LSU trails Minnesota in national titles. Think about that....
if Bernie had stayed at Tulane, the Green Wave would have more titles than LSU
Think about that.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:56 pm to Cheese Grits
You could say the same thing about many SEC teams. Success is the exception and not the rule for say UGA or A&M. I just don't see those teams differently than CU on the national stage. Your argument can be used against you.
Stadium size? Really?
Heisman whine for the south?
Oh I forgot Auburn claims 1957. Are there some other titles I'm leaving out? As you pointed out earlier, I'm not good at SEC math. Seems like every SEC team has about twice as many titles as the reality.
Stadium size? Really?
Heisman whine for the south?
Oh I forgot Auburn claims 1957. Are there some other titles I'm leaving out? As you pointed out earlier, I'm not good at SEC math. Seems like every SEC team has about twice as many titles as the reality.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:12 pm to sows
Is sows another Charlotte Sooner/Old School Horn alter?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:20 pm to cramps
I think this settles it.
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[/URL][/img]Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:24 pm to sows
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You could say the same thing about many SEC teams.
Not really. "The Six" has been around since the days when Georgia Tech and Tulane were still in the SEC. While the membership may change slightly, the SEC has been a football laden conference going back to the very beginning.
ACC really only had Clemson till they expanded
B1G was basically Ohio State and Michigan + extra school in a given season
Big 8 was basically Oklahoma and Nebraska + extra school maybe every 5 years
SWC was basically Texas and Arkansas + extra school in a given season
PAC was basically Southern California + extra school in a given season
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Stadium size?
Stadium size is an easy metric as it gauges fan following at the national level. The bigger the stadium, and the ability to fill it, is a strong indicator of the inelastic nature of a schools football fans. If you are an OU fan, you are aware of the Baylor tarp, ant the concept of "all hat, no cattle".
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Heisman whine for the south?
No, just I lived through the era and saw it firsthand. However, consider…
2009 first Alabama winner, they now have 2
1971 first Auburn winner, they now have 3 (Bo in 85 and Cam in 10)
1966 first Florida winner (Spurrier) then Danny in 96 and Tim in 07
1942 first Georgia winner, Herschel in 82 was #2
1959 first LSU (Cannon) and last
Compared to
7 for Notre Dame (not in south)
7 for Ohio State (not in south)
7 for Southern Cal (not in south)
5 for Oklahoma (not in south)
Yet no southern school has more than 3
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Seems like every SEC team has about twice as many titles as the reality.
You seem jealous?
As for schools in the BCS an CFP era, do you really believe this?
Lot of those SEC Natty's for schools not named Alabama have come during this time frame.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 8:00 am to Oklahomey
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One of the most overrated? Wow, you are quite clueless. Oklahoma is a top 5 all time program. Even with no national title since 2000, they still hold their own. You might want to rethink your words. Remember, LSU trails Minnesota in national titles. Think about that....
All of Minn's titles were before WW2 except 1. SO excellent point there. OU is overrated. Media always talks them up but they never do anything. The only thing they did was beat a Bama team that was disappointed to not be in the Natty Pic and didn't show up for their game.
If LSU was in the Big 12, They'd win 11-12 games a year too.
State, Ole Miss, Ark... All of these teams would look like Power Houses vs OU schedule.
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:32 am to Cheese Grits
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ACC really only had Clemson till they expanded
I guess it is a quibble, but Clemson didn't do too much in the ACC up until the Pell/Ford era.
Maryland was the top dog for the 70's if my memory is correct.
Before that, probably UNC. Maybe Duke. They used to have an excellent program year in and year out like the Voight Mississippi teams (not as much success however).
That all ended in the 50's or 60's though. Since Georgia Tech used to be a power as well, it's got to have something to do with academics and some change in the college football environment.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:55 am to Sunbeam
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Since Georgia Tech used to be a power as well
when they were still in the SEC
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Maryland was the top dog for the 70's if my memory is correct.
The issue until the late 70's was the way we got out media. You had only 3 channels (ABC / CBS / NBC) and the ACC was the only larger conference without a TV deal. PAC, B1G, SWC, B 8, and SEC all gads deals with the Big 3. ESPN changed all that as they were the ones who really started broadcasting ACC sports because they were cheap and nobody really wanted them.
Kids today have such a different perception of media than the generations before them.
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