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re: Texas and Oklahoma are not rivals
Posted by sows on 8/21/24 at 2:29 am
Not sure what the 100 years comment means. OU and Tx have played 119 times.
And no you can't say that about every teams rivals.
Take LSU. They've played UGA 33 times and Tennessess 34 times. But they've played Tulane 99 times. Think about it.
And no you can't say that about every teams rivals.
Take LSU. They've played UGA 33 times and Tennessess 34 times. But they've played Tulane 99 times. Think about it.
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re: Okie/Texas fans - who are your greatest coaches
Posted by sows on 8/21/24 at 2:22 am
You could maybe add Chuck Fairbanks to the list. Coached from 1967-1972, 3 Big 8 titles, a .728 win%.
re: Texas and Oklahoma are not rivals
Posted by sows on 8/21/24 at 1:59 am
Your view of OU and Texas is how OU fans feel about the SEC. I won't be pulling for any of you unless it benefits OU. Just like I didn't care if Texas or anyone else in the Big 12 did well either. I'm a Sooners fan, not a conference fan.
To answer your question, it's unique for a few reasons. The location and atmosphere is unique and possibly unparalleled in sport. It's unique because Tx's stadium is named for an Oklahoma native and Sooner All-American. It's uniques because they are firing the cannon and we are shooting guns. It's unique because I've seen Bevo shite in the endzone when it was turf. It's unique because the teams have met 11 times when both were in the top 5.
Admitted bias, but I think it's the SEC's best rivalry.
To answer your question, it's unique for a few reasons. The location and atmosphere is unique and possibly unparalleled in sport. It's unique because Tx's stadium is named for an Oklahoma native and Sooner All-American. It's uniques because they are firing the cannon and we are shooting guns. It's unique because I've seen Bevo shite in the endzone when it was turf. It's unique because the teams have met 11 times when both were in the top 5.
Admitted bias, but I think it's the SEC's best rivalry.
re: Longest win streak for every 2024 SEC program.
Posted by sows on 8/18/24 at 11:07 am
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Now that OU and Texas are in a real conference you'll never see them hit that win streak again,
The record is 60+ years old. I doubt any FBS team will ever win 47 in a row again.
I can easily concede that the SEC is in the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. But program strength isn't based entirely on location. Its just a factor.
Take the two most dominant SEC teams currently, in UGA and Bama. They have played 73 times ever. Solid number, but the sport is old. OU and Tx have played109 times ever. This is a factor. The top SEC teams don't necessarily play every season.
What it really comes down to is games against opponents ranked at the end of season. All-time SOS
If you use the earliest ranking, the AP which began in 1936, it looks like this.
1936-2023
Games against Final AP ranked teams
Florida - 314
Alabama - 311
LSU - 307
Auburn -301
Tennessee - 295
Texas - 290
Georgia - 283
Oklahoma - 282
Games Won against Final AP Ranked Teams
Alabama - 151
Oklahoma - 129
Texas - 108
Florida - 107
Tennessee -98
Georgia -96
Auburn -95
LSU - 93
Florida at 314. OU at 282. So UF has played 32 more games against ranked opponents than OU over 88 years.
On average, UF has played 3.56 final ranked opponents annually. OU has played 3.20 final ranked opponents annually.
re: Current SEC schools with 10+ wins in last 25 years
Posted by sows on 8/18/24 at 12:22 am
The SEC is the best conference of the last 20 years no doubt. The 10 years before that I think you could argue the Big 12 was. Nebraska, OU and Texas all won national titles between 1996 and 2005.
In 2000, OU beat #10 UT, #2 KSU and #1 Nebraska in consecutive games.
The conference was stronger than the SEC at that time. So i don't completely agree with your analysis.
As for the SEC playoff matchups..
Burrow team - I don't know any OU fan that thought that Sooner team would win. That was the Jalen Hurts Sooner team. He's great but we limped into the playoff as a team, and Riley's offense that year had to some extent been exposed.
Bama- They went up 28-0 in first half. The last TD of that start was ruled a catch when the receiver clearly was juggling the ball as he went out of bounds. Not that it would have mattered, but 28-0 is harder to come back from than 21-0. Particularly in a game that people forget the final score was 45-34.
UGA- Great game, even with one of OU's worst defenses ever. UGA did to OU what Bama would do to them in the final. The squib kick before the half was the beginning of the end.
Tebow- If only DeMarco Murray had been able to play
LSU/Saban- I rewatched this game years later. I had forgotten OU dropped two TD passes in the end zone in the second half. LSU also fumbled in the second half, but somehow the referees in the Dome failed to see it. LSU was fortunate to win that game.
Looking forward to a bigger sample size in the Sec
In 2000, OU beat #10 UT, #2 KSU and #1 Nebraska in consecutive games.
The conference was stronger than the SEC at that time. So i don't completely agree with your analysis.
As for the SEC playoff matchups..
Burrow team - I don't know any OU fan that thought that Sooner team would win. That was the Jalen Hurts Sooner team. He's great but we limped into the playoff as a team, and Riley's offense that year had to some extent been exposed.
Bama- They went up 28-0 in first half. The last TD of that start was ruled a catch when the receiver clearly was juggling the ball as he went out of bounds. Not that it would have mattered, but 28-0 is harder to come back from than 21-0. Particularly in a game that people forget the final score was 45-34.
UGA- Great game, even with one of OU's worst defenses ever. UGA did to OU what Bama would do to them in the final. The squib kick before the half was the beginning of the end.
Tebow- If only DeMarco Murray had been able to play
LSU/Saban- I rewatched this game years later. I had forgotten OU dropped two TD passes in the end zone in the second half. LSU also fumbled in the second half, but somehow the referees in the Dome failed to see it. LSU was fortunate to win that game.
Looking forward to a bigger sample size in the Sec
re: 2 months ago everyone said Texas OU had a rude awakening coming next year
Posted by sows on 10/11/23 at 7:33 pm
SEC grind is a new phenomenon, made possible thru expansion. The conference has certainly been strong since 2003.. Before that? Not so much.
You guys make it seem like Sewanee and Tulane were never in the conference. Moreover, many of the top SEC teams haven't played the other top teams that many times. Not to mention 8 conference games, which inflates SEC teams record by playing Mercer in November.
Point being, the SEC grind while real, has not always been.
All time games against final AP Ranked teams stats bear that our. All time wins vs. final AP ranked teams further shows where OU and tx stand.
Suppose it takes and LSU poster not to recognize this. After all they spent the 60s to 2003 as a non-factor.
You guys make it seem like Sewanee and Tulane were never in the conference. Moreover, many of the top SEC teams haven't played the other top teams that many times. Not to mention 8 conference games, which inflates SEC teams record by playing Mercer in November.
Point being, the SEC grind while real, has not always been.
All time games against final AP Ranked teams stats bear that our. All time wins vs. final AP ranked teams further shows where OU and tx stand.
Suppose it takes and LSU poster not to recognize this. After all they spent the 60s to 2003 as a non-factor.
re: How far Oklahoma has fallen...
Posted by sows on 1/1/21 at 5:49 am
OU went 94-4-2 in the 50s, including the longest winning streak in the history of the game. No one is saying Bama isn't the Yankees of college football. But to say OU is not elite is not only ridiculous and untrue, but smacks of jealousy. Riley is the offensive mind of his generation. You guys changed your offensive philosophy because of the points put up by Sooner teams over the last 20 years. LSU even did that for 2 seasons anyway. You're followers. OU has led the way in terms of changing how the game is played, the tip of the spear. That's because we are an elite program. The model program in fact.
re: How far Oklahoma has fallen...
Posted by sows on 12/31/20 at 12:56 pm
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Close? you've crumbled
Not really. The OT game with Georgia was close. Kyler got us back in the game vs. Bama. Last year LSU was great and beat us bad. I wouldn't call any of it crumbling.
We beat Ohio St. in Columbus. Does that count as a game that matters to you? I think they all matter. That's just me.
re: How far Oklahoma has fallen...
Posted by sows on 12/31/20 at 12:32 pm
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Meh, I'd rather win titles...
OU has titles. More than LSU. Again not close.
Bottom line is OU has been in the top 5 for a decade. We've been close. But I freely say Bama and Clemson are the two best programs currently, and I hope OU gets another shot at them in near future. As for LSU, great team last year with Burrow. A little volatility since.
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likely be perrenial contenders if they played in the Big 12
Really? Based on what? A&M and Mizzou were in Big 12, they didn't win anything. They are the same programs in the SEC that they were in Big 12. I don't see it.
re: How far Oklahoma has fallen...
Posted by sows on 12/31/20 at 11:54 am
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From perennial playoff contender to...
OU is undoubtedly a perennial contender. Moreso than any team in the SEC save Alabama. LSU, UF, UGA are all good teams but not nearly as consistent as OU's program. Not even close really.
Does OP know the definition of perennial?
re: Oklahoma fans trashing SEC
Posted by sows on 12/12/17 at 11:52 pm
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...they beat an unmotivated Bama team coming off kick 6...
Is that what happened? I mean I get the argument, Alabama doesn't play hard if it's not a national title. Do you really believe this? Is the Sugar Bowl ...do they give a trophy for that? But , because Bama so "unmotivated" it's like OU didn't win the game according to your account. OU isn't Utah or some mid major. It was a blue blood matchup. Early in the game when McCarron was running down the field after a long pass for a TD, he looked well reasonably motivated. Maybe you want to go back and take a look.
OU fans really aren't that bad to visitors who come to Norman. We're friendly. That said, the comments about OU having it's own identity aside from conference affiliation is in my mind pretty accurate. Us v. every other school. No need to hate us for that.
re: UGA fans- do you think you can stop Mayfield
Posted by sows on 12/3/17 at 10:26 pm
Why the last 15 years? What makes that the cutoff date?
OU won 2000 BCS. What don't you understand about this?
I take it you're referring to SEC argument, specifically OU v LSU in 2003. We lost by a touchdown in New Orleans to Saban and best LSU team ever. Dropped a td pass to tie game. I've had LSU fans ask me about the "beat down"in NOLA before. I had to literally remind them it was 21-14. Good game but I wouldn't call that a beatdown?!.
And 2009 against Meyer, Tebow and best UF team ever we lost by 10. Failed to punch in a score twice inside 5. Can't win doing that when DeMarco Murray didn't play. Heavyweights for sure but again not really what I consider a beat down.
It doesn't really matter anyhow. We're in the Lincoln Riley era now. As much as I like Bradford and White...Baker is a different animal. Can't wait for the Rose Bowl, it's gonna be a good one.
OU won 2000 BCS. What don't you understand about this?
I take it you're referring to SEC argument, specifically OU v LSU in 2003. We lost by a touchdown in New Orleans to Saban and best LSU team ever. Dropped a td pass to tie game. I've had LSU fans ask me about the "beat down"in NOLA before. I had to literally remind them it was 21-14. Good game but I wouldn't call that a beatdown?!.
And 2009 against Meyer, Tebow and best UF team ever we lost by 10. Failed to punch in a score twice inside 5. Can't win doing that when DeMarco Murray didn't play. Heavyweights for sure but again not really what I consider a beat down.
It doesn't really matter anyhow. We're in the Lincoln Riley era now. As much as I like Bradford and White...Baker is a different animal. Can't wait for the Rose Bowl, it's gonna be a good one.
re: UGA fans- do you think you can stop Mayfield
Posted by sows on 12/3/17 at 3:43 pm
autopilot??
looked a bit different at the game. McCarron and Bama seemed to be in the game to me. But whatever you need to tell yourself...
looked a bit different at the game. McCarron and Bama seemed to be in the game to me. But whatever you need to tell yourself...
re: UGA fans- do you think you can stop Mayfield
Posted by sows on 12/3/17 at 3:36 pm
I expect a good game with UGA. Excited about a first time matchup with y'all Dawg fans.
You can say what you want about OU but I don't think Sooners have a "spotty" bowl record.
OU is 29-20-1 in bowl games.
12 Orange Bowl wins (most all time)
OU is 6-2 in Sugar Bowl and we're not even historically associated with it. More wins than anyone except Alabama.
1-0 in Rose Bowl
1-0 in Cotton Bowl
2-3 in Fiesta Bowl
You can say what you want about OU but I don't think Sooners have a "spotty" bowl record.
OU is 29-20-1 in bowl games.
12 Orange Bowl wins (most all time)
OU is 6-2 in Sugar Bowl and we're not even historically associated with it. More wins than anyone except Alabama.
1-0 in Rose Bowl
1-0 in Cotton Bowl
2-3 in Fiesta Bowl
Honest question regarding Committee and SEC
Posted by sows on 11/29/17 at 6:25 pm
I don't want to pick on Miss St. But they are 8-4 and the committee has them ranked #23. They are 1 of 2 4-loss teams in the rankings.
MSU played 4 teams this season not from a P5 conference. They were...
Charleston Southern
LA Tech
BYU
UMass
So they won 4 SEC games and are ranked #23. Does anyone else think this ranking may be inflated?
Then you have the charging Bulldogs of Fresno St coming in at #25. A non P5 team that is 9-3.
It all just seems so obvious that CFP Committee is bolstering Alabama's resume.
Understand I'm not making a call on how good or bad Alabama is. If there is some chaos though, we all know they will be in the field. I get it, they have 1 loss. But I don't think the committee should be jockeying the teams ranked 10-25 just to support a decision they've already made. That would be weak.
Everybody knows Alabama played a weak schedule. It's not their fault. And it doesn't mean they shouldn't get in or that they're not a Top 4 team (depending on the championship games of course).
I just think the committee has been very inconsistent and shows some bias. Are SEC fans able to see this?
MSU played 4 teams this season not from a P5 conference. They were...
Charleston Southern
LA Tech
BYU
UMass
So they won 4 SEC games and are ranked #23. Does anyone else think this ranking may be inflated?
Then you have the charging Bulldogs of Fresno St coming in at #25. A non P5 team that is 9-3.
It all just seems so obvious that CFP Committee is bolstering Alabama's resume.
Understand I'm not making a call on how good or bad Alabama is. If there is some chaos though, we all know they will be in the field. I get it, they have 1 loss. But I don't think the committee should be jockeying the teams ranked 10-25 just to support a decision they've already made. That would be weak.
Everybody knows Alabama played a weak schedule. It's not their fault. And it doesn't mean they shouldn't get in or that they're not a Top 4 team (depending on the championship games of course).
I just think the committee has been very inconsistent and shows some bias. Are SEC fans able to see this?
re: The only way Bama makes the playoffs is if TCU beats Oklahoma.
Posted by sows on 11/28/17 at 8:49 pm
Spot on.
Bama is the on deck team for a spot. Committee made that plainly clear. The real question is whether they are a top 4 team? I don't think it really matters to the committee. They want to get two SEC teams into the playoff.
Bama is the on deck team for a spot. Committee made that plainly clear. The real question is whether they are a top 4 team? I don't think it really matters to the committee. They want to get two SEC teams into the playoff.
re: Alabama is going to get a shot!
Posted by sows on 11/28/17 at 8:35 pm
Iowa State is not a bad team this season. It was a one score game.
If I wanted to be a **** I 'd say Bama's loss was more convincing and in the last game of the season. Not a good look. But, I was agreeing with OP. I do think Bama has a good shot if OU or Wisc loses.
I'm not complaining, I'm just commenting. The committee is biased. I don't think Alabama is one of the top 4 teams, that's my opinion. I don't mind being #3 currently. I think there is a good chance this committee will drop OU to #4 next weekend even if the Sooners win. This is fine. Keep up the disrespect,,, it's fueling us.
If I wanted to be a **** I 'd say Bama's loss was more convincing and in the last game of the season. Not a good look. But, I was agreeing with OP. I do think Bama has a good shot if OU or Wisc loses.
I'm not complaining, I'm just commenting. The committee is biased. I don't think Alabama is one of the top 4 teams, that's my opinion. I don't mind being #3 currently. I think there is a good chance this committee will drop OU to #4 next weekend even if the Sooners win. This is fine. Keep up the disrespect,,, it's fueling us.
re: Alabama is going to get a shot!
Posted by sows on 11/28/17 at 8:21 pm
I think Bama has a good shot to get in. Inexplicably Fresno St appears in the rankings at 9-3. Really? I can't imagine why? The committee is setting it up in hopes of getting in 2 SEC teams. Not that it's a surprise considering they're partnered with espn.
That said I don't think THIS Bama team will win it all. But a shot at is pretty likely and kinda lame IMO.
That said I don't think THIS Bama team will win it all. But a shot at is pretty likely and kinda lame IMO.
re: Can Alabama claim to be the greatest program in CFB history after this recent run?
Posted by sows on 8/21/17 at 9:28 pm
"We (LSU) have the best home winning percentage since 2000"
I think Oklahoma has a better home winning percentage than LSU since 2000. Maybe you were just talking SEC? An asterisk would be good next time.
I think Oklahoma has a better home winning percentage than LSU since 2000. Maybe you were just talking SEC? An asterisk would be good next time.
re: Kentucky's NC in football came at the Sooner's expense
Posted by sows on 8/21/17 at 7:03 pm
You're logic is flawed. You completely left out the EFFECT of naming the national BEFORE the bowls. If you think it had no effect on the outcome you're fooling yourself. The bowl games were like exhibitions back then. It was a completely different era. Some of OU's finest teams in the 50s didn't even go to bowl games. Conference champions i'm talking about. A conference rule at the time prevented consecutive trips to the Orange Bowl. Do you understand this. I'm talking about teams that went 94-4-2 over a ten year stretch. We should have more titles from the 50s actually. Win streaks of 47 and 31 during that time. Do some research dude.
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