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re: If Oklahoma joined SEC every team/school would literally lose money.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:18 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:18 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
LSU fan base is well known for being very classless. Not all LSU fans are classless. The 2004 Sugar Bowl is what it is. Lot of us OU fans wanted to have a great time on Bourbon Street the night before the game. It was hard to. Left and right LSU fans were targeting us fans yelling obscenities, vulgarities, among other things.
Tennessee and Alabama fans are the epitome of class. Give me that away atmosphere anytime.
Tennessee and Alabama fans are the epitome of class. Give me that away atmosphere anytime.
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:12 pm to CharlotteSooner
The 2013 Cotton Bowl is an example of a team being dominated.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:17 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
And a parade was held for Aggies for that elusive win. That was their "championship" in football. Meanwhile, 77-0 still lingers heavily in College Station. Slocum never would have let that happen.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:27 pm to Oklahomey
Slocum lost 51-6, 37-0, and 24-0 in the same season just one year after winning the Big 12. He was not immune to crippling losses.
This post was edited on 5/7/17 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:29 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
2002 - Aggies 30 (1) Sooners 26; Slocum was the coach. He got a raw deal.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:44 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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The 2013 Cotton Bowl is an example of a team being dominated.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:50 pm to weptiger
Quit it. Mizzou are good people.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:31 pm to wmr
People making a case for Oklahoma in the SEC have not been paying attention to what's going on with ESPN. They're going bankrupt over their locked in deals with NBA, NFL, and NCAA.
The money for conference TV deals is drying up as has been shown with several of the 2nd tier leagues getting killed on their new deals (down 50-70%). The SEC has some security until 2033 with their deal locked in, but it's clearly not going to be renegotiated UP. With that in mind, you aren't going to see them dilute per team payouts by adding Oklahoma. Any addition now is reserved for highly selective adjacent markets that don't carry the SEC Network on cable (Charlotte or DC/Baltimore) or for a program like Texas, that arguably expands league revenue.
The money for conference TV deals is drying up as has been shown with several of the 2nd tier leagues getting killed on their new deals (down 50-70%). The SEC has some security until 2033 with their deal locked in, but it's clearly not going to be renegotiated UP. With that in mind, you aren't going to see them dilute per team payouts by adding Oklahoma. Any addition now is reserved for highly selective adjacent markets that don't carry the SEC Network on cable (Charlotte or DC/Baltimore) or for a program like Texas, that arguably expands league revenue.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 7:09 am to Oklahomey
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2002 - Aggies 30 (1) Sooners 26; Slocum was the coach. He got a raw deal.
THAT is your evidence? You seriously think one game in that season made up for the Mike Sherman-like collapses during the Texas Tech (A&M led 35-17 after 3 and LOST), Nebraska (led 31-14 late 3rd quarter and LOST), Oklahoma State (first loss to Oklahoma State in A&M history), and Missouri (lost to a 5-7 team in double overtime the week after beating Oklahoma) games? How about his 2-9 bowl record?
Clearly by your standards John Blake got a raw deal.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 7:11 am
Posted on 5/8/17 at 8:13 am to droliver
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People making a case for Oklahoma in the SEC have not been paying attention to what's going on with ESPN. They're going bankrupt over their locked in deals with NBA, NFL, and NCAA.
The money for conference TV deals is drying up as has been shown with several of the 2nd tier leagues getting killed on their new deals (down 50-70%). The SEC has some security until 2033 with their deal locked in, but it's clearly not going to be renegotiated UP. With that in mind, you aren't going to see them dilute per team payouts by adding Oklahoma. Any addition now is reserved for highly selective adjacent markets that don't carry the SEC Network on cable (Charlotte or DC/Baltimore) or for a program like Texas, that arguably expands league revenue.
Thing is what happens if ESPN starts bleeding red with no hope of it turning around? Firing on air people is all well and good, but as you point out the elephant in the room is the broadcast right contracts they have with the major sports leagues.
(Additionally do we know for a fact that ESPN itself makes money if the college conference tie-ins are considered solely by themselves?)
Disney owns ESPN. So obviously someone who knows about these kinds of things would have to chime in.
But if ESPN were an independent enterprise, would anyone be surprised to see them go belly up in about 5 years? Then what happens to those contracts?
Really think the death knell would be if Disney made some kind of move to spin off ESPN to be its own thing. Not sure how that works legally, because it's pretty obvious they don't want to be tied to the corpse when it stops swimming.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 8:14 am
Posted on 5/8/17 at 8:30 am to CGSC Lobotomy
John Blake could recruit but couldn't develop the players like Stoops was able to. John Blake had only 1 legit win, against the worst Big 12 champion in Texas (8-5).
Slocum had a record of 123-47-2. Bowl record of 3-8 wasn't good but at least he won. Aggies haven't had much consistency since.
Slocum had a record of 123-47-2. Bowl record of 3-8 wasn't good but at least he won. Aggies haven't had much consistency since.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 8:52 am to OU_Fan
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OU vs an SEC Big 6 team each weekend would be must see TV for college football. The ESPN money will dry up over the next decade. A quality, traditional power house college football team will out perform in ratings your preferred, large TV market team any day.
I agree with this. I think with the direction the landscape is heading, brand recognition will drive ratings moreso than anything else.
And TBH, I wouldn't be entirely shocked if in the not-so distant future, the conferences ultimately splinter into smaller groups like in the days of yore, as opposed to the "4 mega conferences" chatter that's been the hot topic of late. Sure, we might get those 4 mega-conferences in the short run, but for how long is another matter...
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:44 am to Oklahomey
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Slocum had a record of 123-47-2. Bowl record of 3-8 wasn't good but at least he won. Aggies haven't had much consistency since.
Slocum's last four years: 29-19 (including a 6-6 season)
Sumlin's last four years: 33-19
Slocum's last five years: 40-22 (including a 6-6 and an 11-3 season)
Sumlin's A&M tenure: 44-21 (including an 11-2 season)
Your argument is invalid.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 9:45 am
Posted on 5/8/17 at 10:04 am to BrandoCo
Send Mizzou to the B1G with KU and send OU, UT and WVU to the SEC. Contract would be worth billions
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:02 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
How many undefeated seasons and conference titles for Sumlin?
Slocum has 3 conference titles and 1 undefeated season.
Slocum has 3 conference titles and 1 undefeated season.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:05 pm to Oklahomey
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Slocum has 3 conference titles and 1 undefeated season.
Slocum actually had 4 conference titles, but three of those were in an extremely weak SWC. The fourth was almost a fluke due to an epic collapse by Kansas State (they led 27-12 to start the 4th quarter).
Over his last four years, Slocum had ZERO conference titles and ZERO perfect seasons.
His 12-0 season resulted in a 25-point blowout loss in the Cotton Bowl.
Slocum also never finished ranked higher than 7th while Sumlin ended the 2012 season 5th.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:23 pm to Sunbeam
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But if ESPN were an independent enterprise, would anyone be surprised to see them go belly up in about 5 years? Then what happens to those contracts?
ESPN is locked into the Mouse's empire. The content they bid for is not just for ESPN, but ABC as well. The Mouse won't walk away from ABC.
And frankly SEC money is a drop in the bucket compared to what they pay for NFL Monday Night Football. Thanks to the SEC deal now ESPN has a whole other channel to make money off, compared to the NFL which launched a channel to compete with ESPN.
I don't see ESPN moving away from the SEC any time soon. They might avoid giving the ACC its own network though.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:29 pm to Uncle Gunnysack
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The 2013 Cotton Bowl is an example of a team being dominated.
What's worse, aggy speaking to an elite program while beating their chests to "domination" or Johnny Jolly dancing during the 77-0 anal destruction served on them by OU?
Gotdam you fools are clueless.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:30 pm to OldSchoolHorn
quote:how is this any different than when horns speak to an elite program like OU?
aggy speaking to an elite program
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:32 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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What's worse, aggy speaking to an elite program while beating their chests to "domination" or Johnny Jolly dancing during the 77-0 anal destruction served on them by OU?
I'm pretty sure having all of your fans leave Fair Park by halftime of the 2012 game is much worse...a game in which you had to call a timeout to score the touchdown to make the game 62-15 instead of 62-8.
Also, having 59 yards of total offense (2 rushing yards) is pretty pathetic as well, as is having a white Mormon QB with two knee braces run for almost 300 yards on you.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 1:33 pm
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