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re: I'd like to go on record regarding this edition of the Tennessee Vols
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:15 pm to NukemVol
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:15 pm to NukemVol
When it was 3rd and short deep in UF territory after the first Gator derp and the Vols came out in a shotgun I knew they were going to lose.
I honestly think most OCs don't understand the basic rudiments of football. Let's see, let's come out in a formation that puts our lineman in a passive stance and our QB 4 yards deep. That way, our RB has to passively wait for the ball from the QB if we do run the ball. And this against a very athletic D Line that will be firing off the ball to get penetration. Sounds like recipe for success to me...
I honestly think most OCs don't understand the basic rudiments of football. Let's see, let's come out in a formation that puts our lineman in a passive stance and our QB 4 yards deep. That way, our RB has to passively wait for the ball from the QB if we do run the ball. And this against a very athletic D Line that will be firing off the ball to get penetration. Sounds like recipe for success to me...
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Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:15 pm to Moustache
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I think his best year at Cincy was 9-4. not much to be excited about there IMO.
Again you know nothing........
10–3 in 2011, including a Big East championship, a Liberty Bowl victory (31–24 over Vanderbilt), and he was named Big East Coach of the Year. Also in 2011, Cincinnati was the only program to win both its conference championship as well as the league's team academic award.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:30 pm to Moustache
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Moustache
You are either a moron or a bad troll, not sure which
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:00 pm to Tennessee Jed
So much for the "open competition" at QB last week. Hell, a chimp throwing darts at a board could have made a better decision.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:20 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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When it was 3rd and short deep in UF territory after the first Gator derp and the Vols came out in a shotgun I knew they were going to lose. I honestly think most OCs don't understand the basic rudiments of football. Let's see, let's come out in a formation that puts our lineman in a passive stance and our QB 4 yards deep. That way, our RB has to passively wait for the ball from the QB if we do run the ball. And this against a very athletic D Line that will be firing off the ball to get penetration. Sounds like recipe for success to me...
Agree with this. I'm not saying he won't be successful. But from what I've seen so far, I don't THINK he will be. Not in the SEC.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:25 pm to NukemVol
Everybody needs to calm down and give this time. I feel like I'm on frickin Volnation
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:27 pm to Prof
If Tenn is gonna go 4-8 or 5-7, he might as well pick either Ferg or Dobbs to run the team.
Like Bobby Bowden once said, I can play my seniors and have turnovers and losses or I can play the future of my program and have turnovers and losses.
Like Bobby Bowden once said, I can play my seniors and have turnovers and losses or I can play the future of my program and have turnovers and losses.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:30 pm to Moustache
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Like Bobby Bowden once said, I can play my seniors and have turnovers and losses or I can play the future of my program and have turnovers and losses.
What concerns me is that we haven't seen either of the true freshman. If we're to trust Butch as a coach, we have to assume he's playing our most talented players. If Dobbs and Ferguson haven't shown enough in practice to pass Peterman on the depth chart, they're probably not very good.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:38 pm to Tennessee Jed
Not that I disagree with you but he probably felt more comfortable using Petermen in that environment than he did a couple of ultra-green freshmen (Petermen has at least seen the field) also I'm sure he would prefer not to burn either of the freshman's redshirt if possible so you go with Petermen.
Obviously now that Petermen is injured one of their redshirts will likely have to be burned
Obviously now that Petermen is injured one of their redshirts will likely have to be burned
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:43 pm to Wishnitwas1998
to me, UT has no identity on offense... it's like they're a passing team with crap QBs and WRs... I'm not really sure what Jones is trying to accomplish.
Just my opinion, but he should've developed the running game more in the spring and fall camp... pound the ball with the big OL. Whatever they've been doing thus far isn't working for any position group.
Just my opinion, but he should've developed the running game more in the spring and fall camp... pound the ball with the big OL. Whatever they've been doing thus far isn't working for any position group.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:48 pm to lowspark12
Butch has never run a past first offense, and he's certainly not trying to at TN.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:51 pm to lowspark12
I disagree with most about changing his system, formations, etc.
We are playing for the future no doubt about it and these young guys need to learn the system they will be running in 2-3 years. Teams struggle when they have different offensive systems year in and year out for a reason, it takes time to become familiar with new systems. Should he tweak his system to take advantage of current players? Absolutely but he shouldn't just change it totally.
If he isn't gonna run the ball except out of the shotgun (whether right or wrong) then it's not like we should be running all these different formations under center then in 6 weeks or spring or whenever he thinks our talent can run out of the shotgun all of a sudden start doing that.
You practice for a reason and right now these young guys are gaining irreplaceable game experience in butch's system
We are playing for the future no doubt about it and these young guys need to learn the system they will be running in 2-3 years. Teams struggle when they have different offensive systems year in and year out for a reason, it takes time to become familiar with new systems. Should he tweak his system to take advantage of current players? Absolutely but he shouldn't just change it totally.
If he isn't gonna run the ball except out of the shotgun (whether right or wrong) then it's not like we should be running all these different formations under center then in 6 weeks or spring or whenever he thinks our talent can run out of the shotgun all of a sudden start doing that.
You practice for a reason and right now these young guys are gaining irreplaceable game experience in butch's system
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:54 pm to Wishnitwas1998
i guess when you're devoid of talent at the QB, it really doesn't matter what you're running... but if this is a run-first team (as jed suggested), then they should be a more efficient offense.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 5:00 pm to lowspark12
We actually ran the ball ok on Saturday when we weren't fumbling it considering Florida had no respect for our passing game (and they shouldn't have). Them stacking the box led to a ton of 3rd and 8+ and with our QB/WR situation we just aren't gonna get many of those especially against their defense
One thing that absolutely killed us Saturday were dropped passes, they have been killing us for a couple of years not but with all new coaches and all new WRs I was hoping we had figured out how to catch the fricking football but apparently not
Idk how to fix drops other than simple repetition but something has to be done. As bad as our offense is in the rare times a receiver gets open and the QB puts it on his numbers he HAS to catch it
One thing that absolutely killed us Saturday were dropped passes, they have been killing us for a couple of years not but with all new coaches and all new WRs I was hoping we had figured out how to catch the fricking football but apparently not
Idk how to fix drops other than simple repetition but something has to be done. As bad as our offense is in the rare times a receiver gets open and the QB puts it on his numbers he HAS to catch it
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 5:41 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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We actually ran the ball ok on Saturday when we weren't fumbling it considering Florida had no respect for our passing game (and they shouldn't have). Them stacking the box led to a ton of 3rd and 8+ and with our QB/WR situation we just aren't gonna get many of those especially against their defense
I agree, you can't run as effectively when the passing game is THAT bad. We badly need for our receivers to breakout. We're starting to see that happen one by one but like the QB it's gonna take time and experience and there's just no substitute for game experience.
If we burn one of the redshirts by choice rather than because we have to I think it should Dobbs despite practice reports saying Ferguson's farther ahead whereas Dobbs has more raw talent. Dobbs can keep plays alive with his feet, he's elusive, and though not a running QB at all he can run when he has to. On film he's more like the old school dual threats than the running QBs associated with 'dual threat' today -- he's a pocket passer first that can also run and escape defenders. That's another problem for defenders to have to worry about.
However, I think the most logical redshirt to burn and keep everyone happy is Ferguson's, he's got the arm and has speed but isn't much of scrambler despite his speed although he could finally decide he should use it. Reports say he's more ready but then again there are Ferguson vs. Dobbs partisans all over this debate of who/which so take that with a grain of salt. What we do know is that he has the best arm of the 4. His family has been lobbying for him on the radio which tells me the kid is hellbound to get in there. Ferguson has a cocksure attitude that's very good for a true freshman and it may help keep him from getting rattled should he see serious action. Dobbs, OTOH, has 5-year degree program (aerospace engineering) and baseball to look forward to so redshirting isn't just a physical benefit for him but also one that preserves another year on scholarship (kid wants his degree too and has set very high standards for himself in football, baseball, and academics).
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 6:20 pm to Prof
Bump. Couldn't let a Jed thread drop off page 1. 
Posted on 9/23/13 at 6:22 pm to Tennessee Jed
But Jones is so high energy
Posted on 9/23/13 at 6:54 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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I'm actually optimistic that we can go bowling after this week.....and I predicted 6 wins from the beginning
So you think y'all will beat both auburn and mizzou?
Eta: not to mention Vandy as well. That looks bleak
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 7:05 pm to Tennessee Jed
Only because it's full of Derek Dooley's recruits.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 7:09 pm to Moustache
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I think Butch was a terrible hire. Your AD knew you didn't have a running QB on the fricking roster. Should've gone after Chavis or given a coordinator a chance so you guys would at least be good on one side of the ball.
You're not actually suggesting we should have hired a coach based on the current roster, are you?
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