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re: I guess it's Mizzou's week coming up. Unflattering OTL out
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:09 pm to MIZ_STL
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:09 pm to MIZ_STL
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How do you know Sasha had no capacity to sign documents?
If you are in a locked facility they will not have the documents inside the facility. If you have ever been to one it is not like you have a free flow between the inside and outside. In such a case documents are signed by next of kin. It is not like on TV where folks just walk into a hospital room and see the person face to face.
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:09 pm to DoreonthePlains
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It could void the document
Legally, yes
Practically, no
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:10 pm to Cheese Grits
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If you are in a locked facility they will not have the documents inside the facility. If you have ever been to one it is not like you have a free flow between the inside and outside. In such a case documents are signed by next of kin. It is not like on TV where folks just walk into a hospital room and see the person face to face.
So your issue is with the mental care facility's execution of their policies against having documents in the facility?
Or are you still grasping?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:15 pm to Cheese Grits
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If you are in a locked facility they will not have the documents inside the facility. If you have ever been to one it is not like you have a free flow between the inside and outside.
I have been in dozens and dozens. You're almost completely wrong. No one would stop a person from carrying in a piece of paper.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:22 pm to the808bass
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I have been in dozens and dozens. You're almost completely wrong. No one would stop a person from carrying in a piece of paper.
Cheese Grits is pulling it out of her arse. The University of Missouri Psychiatric Center policy is that the nurses will inspect items for safety before allowing them in to be given to the patient.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:23 pm to Cheese Grits
quote:How do you know she was in a locked facility?
If you are in a locked facility
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:25 pm to TigerMattSTL
quote:So, Cheese Grits was making shite up?
The University of Missouri Psychiatric Center policy is that the nurses will inspect items for safety before allowing them in to be given to the patient.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:30 pm to the808bass
tom.farrey@espn.com
Send emails to this guy about the crappy reporting. This whole incident is sad for the family and those that are involved. When ESPN comes in to write a story with a predetermined headline it makes it even worse. This is a very good response by the MU Administration and I wish ESPN gave them more than an afternoon to respond: LINK .
I'm not saying that MU has no fault in what occurred. They might very well be to blame, but based on the information provided in the ESPN article it is a far reach to make the connection they are implying. MU student athletes and in some cases the coaches and administration are no angels. There have been plenty of incidents with solid proof of wrongdoing. What sets this incident apart is the fact that ESPN did an entire OTL Report and seems to jump to damaging conclusions without solid ground to stand on.
Oh well. Back to my
Send emails to this guy about the crappy reporting. This whole incident is sad for the family and those that are involved. When ESPN comes in to write a story with a predetermined headline it makes it even worse. This is a very good response by the MU Administration and I wish ESPN gave them more than an afternoon to respond: LINK .
I'm not saying that MU has no fault in what occurred. They might very well be to blame, but based on the information provided in the ESPN article it is a far reach to make the connection they are implying. MU student athletes and in some cases the coaches and administration are no angels. There have been plenty of incidents with solid proof of wrongdoing. What sets this incident apart is the fact that ESPN did an entire OTL Report and seems to jump to damaging conclusions without solid ground to stand on.
Oh well. Back to my
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:30 pm to MIZ_STL
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So, Cheese Grits was making shite up?
Yep.
573-884-1300 if you want to check for yourself.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:32 pm to MIZ_STL
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How do you know she was in a locked facility?
When you hear 72 hour involuntary it has always been locked facility in my experience. Locked facility does not sound as warm and fuzzy.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:34 pm to Cheese Grits
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When you hear 72 hour involuntary it has always been locked facility in my experience. Locked facility does not sound as warm and fuzzy
It is a modern psychiatric center. Not a mental hospital like those that existed until Reagan killed funding.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:34 pm to Cheese Grits
But, you don't know that Sasha was in a locked facility, right? You also don't know what the locked facility procedure is at the particular facility do you?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:38 pm to everytrueson
True, but the same thing happened at Penn St.
What is the difference?
Mind you, imo, PSU got shafted.
What is the difference?
Mind you, imo, PSU got shafted.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:40 pm to hoff6383
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I'm not saying that MU has no fault in what occurred. They might very well be to blame, but based on the information provided in the ESPN article it is a far reach to make the connection they are implying. MU student athletes and in some cases the coaches and administration are no angels.
Short of doing some Minority Report type of preemptive discipline I've got no clue what else could have been done.
Some misconceptions can be made by grouping the policies of The University of Missouri Hospital with policies and requirements The University of Missouri, but that's all for the dummies.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:42 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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True, but the same thing happened at Penn St.
Really?
What MU AD employee witnessed a rape?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:51 pm to TigerMattSTL
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It is a modern psychiatric center.
And modern facilities are locked. Granted not all of them are, but when the words 72 hours or involuntary come up that has always been words used when they are locked. If you think modern facilities do not have locked wards, you have not been paying attention.
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Not a mental hospital like those that existed until Reagan killed funding.
Agreed, the stand alone 24 / 7 / 365 massive campuses for mental illness were killed by Reagan. Many of the street people we see now were folks who lived in those facilities when they existed. With the funding cut those folks are now loose and some are real threats that fall in and out of a poorly substitute system.
It would be good if some of those facilities existed today to fill a real need for the folks who can not function in general society and probably cost more long term with no treatment as it now taxes other facilities such as jails and public spaces.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:54 pm to Cheese Grits
Gawd Grits, just go away and pester some other thread. You have been proven wrong countless times so give it up.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:57 pm to Cheese Grits
quote:Q: Do you know Sasha was in a locked facility?
Cheese Grits
A: No.
Q: Do you know the procedures in place at the facility Sasha was treated at?
A: No.
Q: Do you have facts relating to Sasha's case?
A: No.
Q: Are you speculating without any evidence?
A: Yes!
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:01 pm to MIZ_STL
Get ready for the Grits deflection party.
I fully expect you to be addressed for your complete disregard and caring for the mental health issues confronting our country.
Are you doing everything you can to help those suffering from mental illness, Grits is.
I fully expect you to be addressed for your complete disregard and caring for the mental health issues confronting our country.
Are you doing everything you can to help those suffering from mental illness, Grits is.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:01 pm to MIZ_STL
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Q: Do you know Sasha was in a locked facility?
Based on the terms "3 day hold" and "involuntary" I would bet with a high degree of confidence - at least 80% and probably in the 90's - she was in a locked facility. I was not in that specific facility so it is not 100% but I have been in enough to have a fairly high expectation this is the case.
Can you say the same?
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