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re: I don’t trust Mullen in big games
Posted on 11/6/20 at 6:42 pm to boXerrumble
Posted on 11/6/20 at 6:42 pm to boXerrumble
A lot more goes into games than just talent. The ability to pass the ball, experience and health are just a handful of other factors that Florida fans are choosing to ignore.
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 6:49 pm to Gatorbait2008
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mean health I get of course. Passing game though...your coach has recruited five stars and elite four stars at the position. At some point does he shoulder any blame for the lack of production?
Its not his fault the 2017-19 QB went pro early, the guy that should be the 2020 QB was allowed an unprecedented free transfer, the transfer 2020 starting QB quit, the other transfer QB isnt healthy enough, and the 2019 class QB had brain surgery.
Its also not his fault the #2 WR tore his ACL a 2nd time in fall camp, and the #1 WR got hurt last week and isnt playing this weekend. I supposed it is his fault the 2017 and 2018 WR classes were duds, but the 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes were supposed to make up for that. 2019 class aint playing this weekend.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 7:49 pm to djsdawg
Okay so let's be clear
It is his fault what has happened at QB.
It's his fault Fields left.
It's his fault he kept Fromm over Eason, who every pro scout graded as the better QB.
It's his fault Fromm did not progress for two years after his freshman year
Its Kirby's fault Mathis is not developed and ready to go over Bennett. It's likely his fault Newman opted out.
Why?
Because Kirby is so keen on having a game manager, instead of a game changed. What is the one thing Bennett is very good at? Presnap reads on man coverage and checking run plays.
That's what Kirby wants. Five years is more than enough time to have an elite QB at Georgia. The only position you continuously underachieved at. At some point, it is time to accept it is on Kirby. I mean Beck is highly touted. Freshman QBs start in CFB. Why is Beck not ready either?
Name one QB who got better with Kirby as their coach. Even Fields when he rarely played was not near elite. Yet he goes to OSU..and instant Heisman contender.
Kirby is a better version of Muschamp. You will continue to hire coordinators, and see the same results.
It is his fault what has happened at QB.
It's his fault Fields left.
It's his fault he kept Fromm over Eason, who every pro scout graded as the better QB.
It's his fault Fromm did not progress for two years after his freshman year
Its Kirby's fault Mathis is not developed and ready to go over Bennett. It's likely his fault Newman opted out.
Why?
Because Kirby is so keen on having a game manager, instead of a game changed. What is the one thing Bennett is very good at? Presnap reads on man coverage and checking run plays.
That's what Kirby wants. Five years is more than enough time to have an elite QB at Georgia. The only position you continuously underachieved at. At some point, it is time to accept it is on Kirby. I mean Beck is highly touted. Freshman QBs start in CFB. Why is Beck not ready either?
Name one QB who got better with Kirby as their coach. Even Fields when he rarely played was not near elite. Yet he goes to OSU..and instant Heisman contender.
Kirby is a better version of Muschamp. You will continue to hire coordinators, and see the same results.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 7:51 pm to Gatorbait2008
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If we lose this game outside of something crazy(Trask is rolled up on in the opening drive and Jones still is not healthy, forcing Richardson into action). Then yes. He is hard to trust going forward.
Exactly
Posted on 11/6/20 at 7:52 pm to skirpnasty
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Mullen is exceptional at winning the games he should win.
Not good news for UGA then.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:02 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Okay so let's be clear
It is his fault what has happened at QB.
It's his fault Fields left.
It's his fault he kept Fromm over Eason, who every pro scout graded as the better QB.
It's his fault Fromm did not progress for two years after his freshman year
Its Kirby's fault Mathis is not developed and ready to go over Bennett. It's likely his fault Newman opted out.
A whole lot of wrong from you ITP:
1. Fromm was better than Eason, and he improved a lot from 2017 to 2018. Fromm was very good in 2018.
2. In any other era, Fields never leaves and is our QB right now. See DJ Shockley staying in the same exact situation. Blame goes to the transfer rules, not the coach. Fields looked pretty damn good at UGA in 2018, and would look elite right now had he stayed.
3. In any other era, Newman doesnt quit and is playing. Blame goes to COVID, not the coach.
4. Only an idiot would fault him for Dwan Mathis needing emergency brain surgery. Blame goes to health, not the coach. He was always a last minute project anyways. The kind of guy who isnt ready for years. He was NOT highly touted.
5. Beck is also a project that would never be expected to be the man as a true freshman. He was NOT highly touted.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:21 pm to Gatorbait2008
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You did have a better overall team. Had an elite Oline, an elite RB, and a guy who went to NC at QB. Your team technically should be better every year with recruiting. UF catches up with scheme and development. So if UF does win tomorrow..you know why that is.
And yet based off the season everybody thought Florida would win. If UF wins tomorrow it will be for a variety of reasons. Injuries would be one. Let's watch the game and that might give us a clue to the others. If you are counting on one game to declare that Florida is king of the east you might be disappointed next season.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 10:43 pm to Gatorbait2008
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You mean he struggled vs premier programs at the worst school in the division?
He beat two teams that finished in the top 25 at State. His best win was beating a #20 ole miss team led by Houston Nutt.
He got rolled in the egg bowl in Starkville with the sugar bowl on the line.
Again if he can’t beat a Stetson Bennet led UGA he never will.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 11/6/20 at 11:06 pm to Gatorbait2008
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This is an argument made by idiots who are new to CFB. Jackie did not have a challenging West when he won the division. It was actually pathetically bad. Mullen had to deal with Saban at Bama and a very good LSU program. To put that in perspective. How many times has Kirby beat LSU and Bama again???? Kirby would not have won the West either...and he is at year 5 at Georgia. If you think Mullen should be able to beat Auburn, LSU, and Bama in the same year at Miss State...explain why your shitty coach can't do it at Georgia?
Not to mention Freeze at Ole Miss taking all the best in state recruits and Manziel at A&M.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 11:12 pm to boXerrumble
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UGA still has a more talented roster even with the injuries. Kirby has outcoached Mullen each of the last 3 years. This is put up or shut up time for Mullen
Bingo. This is the answer.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:24 am to boXerrumble
Lol at Gators trying to talk themselves into this being anything other than a comfortable win this week. I'm rarely Doom and Gloom, but with Davis missing on the inside this week and the safety position cobbled together, I don't think our D resembles what we've seen up to this point. Offensively, we just don't look like we have an identity.
I'll be here to eat my hat if it's something else, but this should be a 13-17 point win for UF unless we get defensive scores.
I'll be here to eat my hat if it's something else, but this should be a 13-17 point win for UF unless we get defensive scores.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:11 am to boXerrumble
any mf that could get msu to number 1 in the nation deserves positivity
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:19 am to fibonaccisquared
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Lol at Gators trying to talk themselves into this being anything other than a comfortable win this week. I'm rarely Doom and Gloom, but with Davis missing on the inside this week and the safety position cobbled together, I don't think our D resembles what we've seen up to this point. Offensively, we just don't look like we have an identity.
With all that talent stockpiled, no way you can possibly say that with a straight face. And your offensive identity is the same one you've had for the last 4 seasons.
For Smart, it's the same measuring stick that was used in Tuscaloosa, does great offense beat great defense? Round 2.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:40 am to bamameister
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With all that talent stockpiled, no way you can possibly say that with a straight face.
We have 2 and 3 deep all over the defense.
But we dont have 2 jordan advises (340 pounds that swallows double teams).
We dont have 2 richard lecountes (ball hawking safety with about 1 turnover per game).
We can still be dominant without them. But we were able to do things schematically because they were automatic. We cant do that this week.
The defensive identity absolutely has changed this week.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:54 am to meansonny
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We have 2 and 3 deep all over the defense.
And that's why there is no crying for Georgia. Alabama and Clemson Players have been licking their wounds for the last few weeks and expectations haven't changed.
What in the world are you saying about your football program that it's that fragile with a couple of starters down?
For one: It's not elite.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:55 am to GatorBait24
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Not to mention Freeze at Ole Miss taking all the best in state recruits and Manziel at A&M.
Wouldn't that be on the coach (Mullen)?
And Manziel transferred into A&M, Sumlin didn't recruit him.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:57 am to GatorBait24
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Kirby has outcoached Mullen each of the last 3 years.
And yet every single year Florida fans have told us that Kirby was a bad game day coach and Mullen was a great game day coach. now you are telling us it is actually he opposite?
Posted on 11/7/20 at 8:00 am to bamameister
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Alabama and Clemson Players have been licking their wounds for the last few weeks and expectations haven't changed.
Who is Alabama and Clemson missing? Honest question, because i don't know. (I know Clemson is missing Lawrence, but who else?)
Posted on 11/7/20 at 8:06 am to DawgsLife
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Honest question, because i don't know. (I know Clemson is missing Lawrence, but who else?)
Clemson Dabo Swinney previously announced that starting middle linebacker James Skalski will be out for Saturday’s game against Notre Dame.
He revealed Wednesday night that the Tigers will be down two additional defensive starters as well.
Starting defensive tackle Tyler Davis and starting Sam/Nickel linebacker Mike Jones Jr. will both be out against Notre Dame. Clemson will also be down defensive end Xavier Thomas for the first half of Saturday’s game after he was ejected for targeting in the second half.
Alabama has lost Waddle for the season and we haven't had our starting defensive end, Labryan Ray, since before the Georgia game. Trey Sanders just went down in a vehicle car accident, much like LeCount, and may not be available for LSU. Stuff happens. Every freakin' week.
This post was edited on 11/7/20 at 8:15 am
Posted on 11/7/20 at 8:11 am to bamameister
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What in the world are you saying about your football program that it's that fragile with a couple of starters down?
We've recruited very well on the DL the past 2 seasons. We have brought in an elite player each year.
But we dont have another 340 pounder to sit on the nose and play at an elite level.
This is football. I dont think you are understanding what I am saying. We can still field an elite defense (front 7). But we have to change schematically how we approach the run game and pass game.
Not every elite defense uses a 340 pound NT to shut down inside zone. We can do it other ways. But we haven't needed to for the past 2 years with Davis on the field. It affects how we use our ILB. It affects how we use our safeties.
I'm not making excuses. I'm making the point that UGA needs to change our identity because the same thing probably wont work to the same end result.
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