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re: How To Re-Align the SEC

Posted on 4/22/22 at 6:50 pm to
Posted by southernboisb
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 6:50 pm to
Not fair how?
Posted by southernboisb
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 6:51 pm to
BUT.....ANNUAL RIVALRY GAMES.......
Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 6:53 pm to
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Ole Miss
State
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 6:53 pm to
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How To Re-Align the SEC by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Okay then how do you decide who plays in the SEC title game?


Pair up the pods yearly. Best record in each group of 8 is an SECCG contestant.

Y1 - AB vrs. CD
Y2 - AC vrs. BD
Y3 - AD vrs. BC
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:59 pm to
UT and UK have played 117 times.. it’s their Oldest and longest rivalry.. Bama and UT have played 103. 3rd longest in SEC.
UT and UGA played 51.
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:01 pm to
Everyone also plays everyone home and home every 4 years..with no divisions and rotating 6 and 3 rivalries.
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

the expansion was announced


Actually .. NO.. it’s only been said here and on fan boards.. the SEC officials have never once mention 4 divisions. Only 2 expanded divisions or no divisions. I know some of you have wanted 4 pods for along time, going back to the whole roommate switch. It’s not happening. It’s a lot easier to figure 3 rivals for each team, than yo yo get everyone yo agree on 4 team pods. Just look at the arguments on who should be in what pods in this thread alone.. you’ll never get the schools to agree to it.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:47 pm to
14-team/8-game model: 6 in-div + 1 cross-div fixed rival (AL-TN, AU-GA...) + 1 of 6 cross-div rotating every other year—requires 12 years to rotate all 6. That flaw needs to be resolved, but are four 4-team pods a good way? Pods make 80% of all SEC matchups rotate and sacrifice many rivalries and their big financial benefits. Maybe that's why the 14-team/8-game model isn't already 3 fixed rivals, rotating the other 10 teams in 5 schedule slots (like pods).

SEC 16-team structure / scheduling solution with more rivalries + more frequent rotation:

SEC--East (8): FL GA KY SC TN VU + AL AU
SEC-West (8): AR LS 0M MS TA + M0 0K TX

^This not only facilitates more SEC rivalries, it ends the need for fixed cross-div rivals, which frees a 2nd schedule slot to use for rotations.

SEC schedules = 3 non-SEC + 9 SEC games;
7 in-division + 2 of 8 cross-div rotating yearly:

4 Rotations - #1, #8 | #2, #7 | #3, #6 | #4, #5
2 E teams --- AL, VU | GA, SC | KY, FL | TN, AU
2 W teams -- LS MO | 0K MS | 0M TX | AR TA

All 8 cross-div teams rotate in 4 years, playing 2 per year once and then the home/aways flip (as often as all 12 cross-pod teams rotate).

Consistent schedule format: 7-8 homes/year; aligns rotationals; limits post-bye opponents.
Sep: non-SEC & cross-division games
Oct: in-division games & bye (mid-season)
Nov: in-division & non-SEC rivalry games
Dec: SEC Championship game

Benefits include balanced divisions, equitable schedules, more frequent cross-div rotations, and a net gain in high-value annual rivalries — AL-LS, FL-LS rotate, but added annuals include AL-GA, FL-AU & SEC-W games vs TX, OK, MO.

Facts: With four 4-team pods (or 3 fixed rivals), the SEC would play only 48 yearly games and thereby less high-value annual rivalries. But with 8-team divisions, the SEC would play 112 yearly games and thereby more high-value annual rivalries. Either option would resolve the 14-team/8-game model's 12-year rotation flaw; but pods' financial impact is negative, while divisions' financial impact is positive.

Not only do the new 8-team divisions enable more financially beneficial scheduling (twice as many high-value yearly games as pods), they also offer more intrinsic value, such as division winners earning opportunities to compete in the SEC Championship game.

Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:32 pm to
It's not easy to figure 3 rivals...UGA & SC AIN'T a rivalry.
Posted by Aggie Dynasty
USA
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:40 pm to
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UT and UK have played 117 times.. it’s their Oldest and longest rivalry.. Bama and UT have played 103. 3rd longest in SEC.
UT and UGA played 51.

Texas Aggies and Texas Longhorns have played 118 times and did not play for the last 10 years.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 11:41 pm
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:41 pm to
WHAT'S WRONG with 4 4-team pods paired yearly to create "an 8 team division"?
Y1 - AB vrs. CD
Y2 - AC vrs. BD
Y3 - AD vrs. BC

The best record in each "division is an SECCG contestant.
& the SECCG won't have repeat teams possible until every 3rd year.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36664 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:59 pm to
quote:

Pair up the pods yearly. Best record in each group of 8 is an SECCG contestant.

Y1 - AB vrs. CD
Y2 - AC vrs. BD
Y3 - AD vrs. BC


To balance the home and away games you would be better off rotating every two years. But otherwise I agree
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5287 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 7:19 am to
Actually the NCAA does not require divisions at all.. it just requires a round robin play with no divisions to have a champ game.., it also doesn’t allow for more than 2 divisions; so a change in rules will have to be made either way. Unless like you propose stay at 2 (8) team divisions
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5287 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 7:24 am to
Neither is Tennessee. (51 games)
But UGA has played USC (74 games).

Obviously each school won’t get 3 “traditional” rivalries but you can at least guarantee their 2 biggest..
UGA- Auburn & Florida
Bama- Tenn & Auburn
Ole Miss- MSU & LSU
Tex Am- Texas & Ark.

You get the point…. i hope!
Posted by DaWGfan01
PCB FL
Member since Dec 2017
1477 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 7:24 am to
Probably been poster already

East

UGA
Alabama
UF
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Kentucky
Auburn

West

LSU
Ol miss
Miss state
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas a&m
Arkansas
Missouri

Pretty simple East is East, West is West
Posted by DaWGfan01
PCB FL
Member since Dec 2017
1477 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 7:31 am to
Pods

1)
UGA
UF
USCe
Kentucky

2)
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

3)
Ol miss
Miss state
LSU
Arkansas


4)
TEXAS
Texas a&m
Oklahoma
Missouri


Pretty even split historically, I'd be cool with that.

Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36664 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 8:20 am to
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3)
Ol miss
Miss state
LSU
Arkansas


4)
TEXAS
Texas a&m
Oklahoma
Missouri


Arkansas has a really strong historical interest in playing Texas and Oklahoma. They also border Missouri and already seem (because of the pit boss among other reasons) to have a nice antipathy for each other that A&M and Missouri don't enjoy.

On the balance that means you probably do better with:

Pod 3: Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas
Pod 4: LSU, A&M, MSU, Ole Miss

The one permanent out of pod opponent per pod lets you line up Texas with A&M and Arkansas with LSU.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 8:50 am to
If I were lsu I would be drooling over this pod, arky, miss, miss st, three of the 6 teams in the sec without the DNA to win a title moving forward
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8441 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 10:22 am to
Depends in scheduling. My way plays everybody in 3 years. Yours won't see teams until 2/4 years...& then another 4 to play again.

All up to when you flip home sites.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8441 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 10:26 am to
I get your point. It's just that some schools 3 schools are a good matchup for them than SC is for UGA (to me).
This post was edited on 4/23/22 at 10:26 am
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