re: How many of you would take the season that LSU is having this year

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Now that’s funny.

12-0
12-2
14-1
12-1
11-2
12-2
13-1
13-1

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Cool, you ran thru a weak conference.

Now do postseason results.

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So they have had 13 seasons with 3 or more losses in the last 20 seasons? Isn’t that 65% of the time?

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Sure. Is that better or worse than 0%?

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When did I say that? I said they weren't in the same conversation with Alabama and Ohio State as a program. I said nothing about them in comparison to LSU. It's been much easier for them to build a perennial playoff team when their season never really starts until January.

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Clemson has been good for like 5 years. They haven't earned the right to be compared with programs like Alabama and OSU. They're really no better than LSU has been at times, or Florida for that matter. Fortunately, they get to play in the ACC every year and have no competition until the post-season.

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5-3 in that time period. All Big 6 bowls.

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So you "reload" every year to not even win 2/3 of your yearly Big 6 bowl runs?

Regardless of your thoughts about Clemson and their conference, my point is that despite your 3 titles and 4 title game appearances this century, no one will respect LSU as a perennial contender like they do Alabama, OSU, or Clemson until LSU can learn to reload and stay consistently great instead of having these Auburn style great seasons followed by several years of 8-4 or 9-3.

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no one will respect LSU as a perennial contender like they do Alabama, OSU, or Clemson

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OSU is basically Oklahoma at this point.

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Regardless of your thoughts about Clemson and their conference, my point is that despite your 3 titles and 4 title game appearances this century, no one will respect LSU as a perennial contender like they do Alabama, OSU, or Clemson until LSU can learn to reload and stay consistently great instead of having these Auburn style great seasons followed by several years of 8-4 or 9-3.

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Eh, how much other people respect LSU's program doesn't have any effect on how I enjoy my Saturdays. I started following LSU football in the early 90s. I can assure you I have been plenty pleased with what I've seen from the program the last 20 years as opposed to the first 10 I watched. A bad season doesn't ruin my life believe it or not (maybe it did when I was a teenager with nothing else to do). I have no control over the hires made or the product on the field. And nothing that happens this year will take away how much fun last year was. As you get older, things like this become less important. I enjoy the fun and don't dwell on the losses. Everyone can't be Alabama, and no one in this conference ever will be. It is what it is. I just find it funny how much people on this board try to tell each other what it takes to be a program like that like any of us has any means to do anything about it.

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So "at times" was referencing 15 years ago? Yes, I agree LSU was much more consistent 15 years ago at the end of Saban's tenure and beginning of Miles'. That was a long time ago though.

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I mean in the grand scheme, 15 years ago really isn't that long ago. We're talking about a run that ended 8 years before Clemson's started. 8 years isn't a long time unless you're 20 years old. I also referenced Florida. When we're talking about a pretty small group of programs, limiting yourself to timeline of 5 years wouldn't make a lot of sense.

Can we make it retroactive so that A&M's 2003 and 2008 seasons count?

I would generally. With Saban at Alabama right now, it's not really something that's likely to happen.

But in 2008 I would have easily taken it. In 2000 we basically had such a shitty season and didn't even win a NC.