re: Honest Question for LSU Fans

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LSU made saban




And you hate delusional Alabama fans

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So who has had more success since Saban left LSU, LSU or Saban?

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So who has had more success since Saban left LSU, LSU or Saban?

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1 year, LSU since Saban has been Alabama

We will see...............

"Thats a stupid argument because saban's players recruited the current LSU players. They're just second generation Sabanites"

no it isn't and that isn't true. okay for instance my friend from rummel (local boy craig steltz).. he was a stand out db for our hs football team and would of came to LSU without any hesitation. his brother (kevin steltz a former LSU fullback who had to WALK ON the team basically by outbenching everyone else) actually talked coaches into really giving him a look. louisiana doesn't have any big time schools in state to compete with..

louisiana hs football talent from 1998-2004 was absolutely incredible including what 2 national championships??

LSU 2000 roster:

Craig Nall QB Alexandria, La.
Dorsett Buckels LB Amite, La.
Jabari Harvey WR Amite, La.
Marcus Yanez LE Bastrop, La.
Solomon Lee TE Bastrop, La.
Jeremy Burnham RB Baton Rouge, La.
John Compton C Baton Rouge, La.
Donnie Jones P Baton Rouge, La.
Brandon Nowlin FB Baton Rouge, La.
David Neubauer OT Baton Rouge, La.
Wendell York SNP Baton Rouge, La.
Charles Thomas DE Baton Rouge, La.
Marcus Randall QB Baton Rouge, La.
Jason Underwood C Baton Rouge, La.
Roger Williams WR Bay St. Louis, MS
Jason Baggett OT Baytown, TX
Kenderick Allen DE Bogalusa, La.
Erin Damond ATH Bogalusa, La.
Domanick Davis RB Breaux Bridge, La.
Randall Gay CB Brusly, La.
Norman LeJeune FS Brusly, La.
Damien James SS Carencro, La.
Jonathan Autrey OG Cecilia, La.
Ross Cockrell P Clinton, La.
Joe Domingeaux TE Crowley, La.
Reese Angelette FB Cut Off, La.
Melvin Richey DT Decatur, Ga.
Jason Green LB Donaldsonville, La.
Howard Green DT Donaldsonville, La.
Jarvis Green DE Donaldsonville, La.
Donriel Louis WR Edgard, La.
Trey Langley OT Eunice, La.
Jeremy Lawrence LB Ferriday, La.
Travis Moses SS Gonzales, La.
Travis Bourgeois FB Gramercy, La.
Chad White DB Hammond, La.
Fred Booker CB Hammond, La.
Chris Cooper LB Harvey, La.
Wardell Sykes LB Harvey, La.
Chris Henry DE Houston, Texas
Jerel Myers WR Houston, Texas
Marcus Whitty LB Houston, Texas
Walter Moreham LB Houston, Texas
Adrian Mayes FS Houston, Texas
Terry Phillips DT Houston, Texas
LaBrandon Toefield RB Independence, La.
Matt Mauck QB Jasper, Ind.
Drew Hixon WR Kennesaw, Ga.
Demetrius Hookfin CB Kentwood, La.
Mac McLachlan OL Kinder, La.
Kyle Kipps DE Lafayette, La.
Ernie Onyia DE Lafayette, La.
John Corbello PK Lafayette, La.
Nick Dupuis OT Lafayette, La.
Jeremy Shealy CB Lafayette, La.
Trev Faulk LB Lafayette, La.
Bryce Wyatt DE Lake Charles, La.
Brandon Winey OT Lake Charles, La.
Demetri Robinson TE Lake City, Fla.
Jarvus Ryes LB Loureauville, La.
Chad Lavalais DE Marksville, La.
Ryan Clark FS Marrero, La.
Jamal Hill LB Mercer Island, Wash.
Derron Parquet RB Metairie, La.
Chad Muller WR Metairie, La.
Rohan Davey QB Miami, Fla.
Bradley Sowa OL Milwaukee, Wisc.
Eric Edwards TE Monroe, La.
Memuda Ifabiyi DT Monroe, La.
Rob Sale OT Monroe, La.
Kyle Thompson DB Monroe, La.
Ed Dangerfield WR Morgan City, La.
Kareem Mitchell DE Moss Point, Miss.
Muskingum Barnes DT Moss Point, Miss.
Jon Shensky LB New Iberia, La.
William Shensky LB New Iberia, La.
Robert Royal TE New Orleans, La.
Oliver Smith CB New Orleans, La.
Rob Cagle ST New Orleans, La.
Stephen Cola SS New Orleans, La.
Bob Wynne OG New Orleans, La.
Ryan O'Neal LB New Orleans, La.
Dwayne Pierce OG New Orleans, La.
Terrence O'Bryant LB New Waverly, Tx.
Shane O'Toole SS Oklahoma City, Okla.
Devery Henderson RB Opelousas, La.
Kaylam Guidry CB Opelousas, La.
Lionel Thomas SS Opelousas, La.
Eric Alexander SS Port Arthur, Tx.
Josh Reed WR Rayne, La.
Kade Comeaux OT Rayne, La.
Michael Lillie FB River Ridge, La.
Matthew Curtis FS River Ridge, La.
Lance Rickner DE River Ridge, La.
John Young OG Ruston, La.
Jack Hunt WR Ruston, La.
Josh Booty QB Shreveport, La.
Reggie Robinson WR Shreveport, La.
Bubba Alexander LB Shreveport, La.
Robert Davis CB Shreveport, La.
Byron Dawson DT Shreveport, La.
Abram Booty WR Shreveport, La.
Blain Bech WR Slidell, La.
Thomas Dunson LB Spring, Tx.
Ryan Miles P St. Amant, La.
Daniel Leon OL St. Martinville, La.
Jarvin Armelin DT Sulphur, La.
Chad Lewis PK Thibodaux, La.
Tony Vastola CB Thibodaux, La.
Shaun Wynn DT Tyler, Tx.
Corey Webster WR Vacherie, La.
Lionel Turner LB Walker, La.
Stephen Peterman DE Waveland, Ms.
Tommy Banks FB West Monroe, La.
Rodney Reed OG West Monroe, La.
Bradie James LB West Monroe, La.
Brad Smalling OT West Monroe, La.
Elice Parker RB Zachary, La.

so i was lookin over rivals recruiting and it only goes back to 2002 but it goes (in order of 5stars-0stars):

2002:
Justin Vincent RB 6-0 205 4.4 Lake Charles, LA
Skyler Green RB 5-9 192 4.4 Higgins, LA
Blair Irvin ATH 6-0 170 4.38 Patterson, LA
Nate Livings OL 6-5 315 5 Lake Charles, LA
Alonzo Manuel DE 6-3 240 4.8 Jennings, LA
Terrell McGill OL 6-4 280 4.9 Miami, FL
Lester Ricard Jr QB 6-4 195 4.6 Denham Springs, LA
Jason Spadoni DB 6-1 205 4.45 River Ridge, LA
Cameron Vaughn LB 6-3 220 4.6 Marrero, LA
Garett Wibel OL 6-3 315 5.1 Metairie, LA
Kyle Williams DT 6-3 290 4.8 Ruston, LA
Tory Collins DT 6-4 250 5 Fortier, LA
Jeff Cook DB 6-3 190 4.6 Crowley, LA
Keron Gordon DB 6-1 185 4.5 Tampa, FL
Brian Johnson OL 6-5 300 5.1 Tallahassee, FL
Dominique Owens RB 5-10 185 4.43 Sugarland, TX
Doug Planchard OL 6-3 275 4.9 Baton Rouge, LA
Vernon Russell DB 6-1 185 4.5 River Ridge, LA
Chris Vincent ATH 6-2 210 4.5 Valley Forge, PA
Lawrence Williams LB 6-4 230 4.5 Lutcher, LA
Willie Demps LB 6-2 230 4.6 Pensacola, FL
Peter Dyakowski OL 6-5 285 5 Vancouver, B.C.
Troy Hankton WR 5-10 180 4.5 New Orleans, LA
Junior Joseph WR 6-1 175 4.5 New Orleans, LA
Ryan Willis DE 6-4 250 4.8 New Orleans, LA

2003:

Will Arnold OL 6-5 325 5 Centreville, MS
Dwayne Bowe WR 6-3 210 4.53 Miami, FL
Alley Broussard RB 6-1 228 4.5 Lafayette, LA
Nick Child DB 6-1 170 4.4 Metairie, LA
Craig Davis WR 6-2 185 4.42 New Orleans, LA
Barrington Edwards RB 6-1 210 4.5 Bowie, MD
Matt Flynn QB 6-2 216 4.53 Tyler, TX
Anthony Hill WR 6-2 195 4.47 Jacksonville, FL
Kenny Hollis LB 6-2 241 4.52 Scooba, MS
Daryl Johnson DB 6-1 195 4.49 New Orleans, LA
LaRon Landry ATH 6-3 185 4.4 Hahnville, LA
Sean Merrill DE 6-5 292 4.85 D'Iberville, MS
Kirston Pittman LB 6-5 235 4.5 Reserve, LA
JaMarcus Russell QB 6-5 225 4.7 Mobile, AL
Jerry Sevin OL 6-3 296 5.01 River Ridge, LA
Carnell Stewart DT 6-6 297 4.75 River Ridge, LA
Tim Washington DE 6-4 235 4.7 Sugar Land, TX
Jarrod Carter DT 6-3 280 4.85 River Ridge, LA
Dominic Cooper DE 6-4 217 4.61 New Orleans, LA
Jessie Daniels DB 6-0 195 4.5 Breaux Bridge, LA
Patrick Fisher K 6-5 240 Hyattsville, MD
Daniel Francis DB 5-11 175 4.43 Port Barre, LA
Darius Ingram LB 6-2 218 4.5 Tenaha, TX
Chris Jackson K 6-0 180 4.6 River Ridge, LA
Jonathon Zenon DB 6-2 185 4.5 Breaux Bridge, LA
Keith Zinger TE 6-5 260 4.6 Leesville, LA

2004:

Early Doucet WR 6-1 207 4.4 St. Martinville, LA
Claude Wroten DT 6-3 315 4.9 Moorhead, MS
Glenn Dorsey DT 6-2 293 5 Gonzales, LA
Herman Johnson OL 6-8 350 5.3 Denton, TX
Marlon Favorite DT 6-3 310 4.8 Harvey, LA
Lavelle Hawkins ATH 5-11 170 4.42 Stockton, CA
Ryan Miller OL 6-6 310 5.28 Lake Charles, LA
Luke Sanders LB 6-4 228 4.6 West Monroe, LA
Charles Alexander DE 6-3 266 4.9 Breaux Bridge, LA
Tremaine Johnson DE 6-2 255 4.72 Galena Park, TX
Craig Steltz DB 6-2 200 4.5 New Orleans, LA
Matt Stoltz LB 6-3 230 4.6 Little Rock, AR
E.J. Kuale LB 6-3 235 4.6 Dodge City, KS
Mario Stevenson DB 6-2 195 4.42 Booneville, MS
Brett Helms OL 6-3 300 5.2 Stuttgart, AR
Tyson Jackson DE 6-6 265 4.8 Edgard, LA
Max Holmes OL 6-4 286 5.3 Baton Rouge, LA
Jeffrey Jack DB 5-11 180 4.4 Houston, TX
Harry Coleman LB 6-2 205 4.5 Baldwin, LA
Chevis Jackson WR 6-1 180 4.5 Mobile, AL
Quinn Johnson LB 6-3 225 4.7 Edgard, LA
Curtis Taylor DB 6-3 180 4.6 Franklinton, LA
Jacob Hester RB 5-10 234 4.6 Shreveport, LA

To answer your question directly, LSU Football could not have been any worse than Bamas since the 1992 title by Stallings.
As far as hiring Saban, the typical committe that hired coaches at LSU did not have input, Saban was unknown and hired by his best friend Mark Emmit who now is at Washington. I do recall the fan base grumbling because we dominated MSU and Saban the year before in the Indy Bowl and did not feel he would get the job done. Sure you could say CNS won a championship at LSU, but he did not do it alone, he had a pretty good staff, (the best money could buy) that took time to develop.

Read a book that CS wrote a few years after he was hired by LSU....Bring Back the Glory or something like that and the book states that someone called in a favor and asked LSU to interview him for the job. He wanted the job and had to ask to be interviewed....no one here knew of CS at the time. He stated in the book how Michigan State had played LSU in Shreveport at the bowl game and he was so impressed with how the fans and band interacted together he said he thought "that must be an awsome place to coach". Well he got the interview and the rest in history.

Where would Slick Nick be without LSU? His resume does not look so good with just Michigan State and Miami on it.

The coach at Iowa was just as highly thought of as Nick Saban. Look how his career has turned out.

Nick Saban needed LSU just as badly as we needed him to get us over the hump.

But there are very good reasons LSU fans hate him.

He tends to do that to the fans of places he has been. Go talk to Michigan State and Miami about that.

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"Thats a stupid argument because saban's players recruited the current LSU players. They're just second generation Sabanites"

no it isn't and that isn't true. okay for instance my friend from rummel (local boy craig steltz).. he was a stand out db for our hs football team and would of came to LSU without any hesitation. his brother (kevin steltz a former LSU fullback who had to WALK ON the team basically by outbenching everyone else) actually talked coaches into really giving him a look. louisiana doesn't have any big time schools in state to compete with..

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I guess sarcasm doesn't travel to the message board well without a smiley face. I'm a bit shocked a few people took that seriously.

Ask the Miami Dolphins the same question. Or Michigan State.

It really is a stupid question. What if we'd hired Spurrier before he went to Florida?

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Where do you think your program would be today if you guys would not have hired Saban in 2000 ?

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I don't hate Saban, I mean I hate him like I hate the coach of a rival school. I appreciate what he did here, but he's a rival now...

Saban was obviously the right man for the job in 2000, but Saban was not the only person who could have come in and put LSU on the map. LSU was going through changes at the time of Saban's hiring. Our new chancellor at the time, Mark Emmert, was willing to put forth the $$$$$ for a top notch football program. If he didn't get Saban, I am confident Emmert would have found someone who would have put LSU on the map. Yes, I am giving just as much credit to Emmert as I am to Saban for improving LSU football.