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re: History shows Nick Saban's time as an elite coach is almost (if not already) over
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:30 pm to Sun God
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:30 pm to Sun God
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And also has an old coach thus the comparison to other old coaches
Many teams have old coaches, Coach Bryant was an old coach in the 1970's.
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Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:35 pm to TideFaninFl
He was 67 in 1980
How’d things go after that?
How’d things go after that?
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:44 pm to Sun God
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He was 67 in 1980
How’d things go after that?
Had Alabama in contention for the NC in 1980 and 1981, and close in 1982...
However he also had heart problems (Coach Saban does not)
Smoking problems (Coach Saban does not)
Drinking Problems (Coach Saban does not)
Coach Bryant was not a well man even in 1978.... yet won 2 more NC at Alabama
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:48 pm to TideFaninFl
10-2
9-2
8-4 (how is that close lol)
His lifestyle v. Saban are fair points I guess
Overall you seemed to have helped DS’s argument
9-2
8-4 (how is that close lol)
His lifestyle v. Saban are fair points I guess
Overall you seemed to have helped DS’s argument
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:09 pm to Sun God
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10-2
Alabama #1
MSU pulled off a luck win when Alabama fumbled at the GL
Notre Dame barely won due to the MSU game
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9-2
Actually 9-2-1,
But if Clemson had lost to NU and Alabama had beaten Texas, Alabama wins at least part of the NC
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8-4 (how is that close lol)
Ranked #2 after the Penn State win, but then the bottom fell out (and Coach Bryant retired at the end of that season.)
All I have done is show that Coaches retire for many different reasons, all the OP showed is that coaches retire.
Like I have said, all we really know is that Coach Saban is 1 year closer to retirement.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:11 pm to TideFaninFl
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MSU pulled off a luck win when Alabama fumbled at the GL
Sounds familiar.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:12 pm to TideFaninFl
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Ranked #2 after the Penn State win, but then the bottom fell ou
Damn Les Miles was close a bunch of times too then.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:13 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:14 pm to TideFaninFl
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all the OP showed is that coaches retire.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 9:50 am to TideFaninFl
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You really do not want to start going over the history of the game with Alabama football
Why not? I know more about Alabama history than most Alabama fans. I read a lot of college football books and have read several, specifically The Last Coach, about Alabama
Posted on 4/16/20 at 9:52 am to TideFaninFl
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However he also had heart problems (Coach Saban does not)
Smoking problems (Coach Saban does not)
Drinking Problems (Coach Saban does not)
#1 Unless you're Saban's doctor, you can't be certain he doesn't have some other chronic condition though
#2 Regardless, you're assuming those things you listed were the proximate cause of Bryant's decline.
#3 Regardless of #1 or #2, OP is not about one coach, it's about the fact that no elite coach at this level has ever kept their standard of winning going beyond the age of 70.
This post was edited on 4/16/20 at 9:58 am
Posted on 4/16/20 at 12:11 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Why not? I know more about Alabama history than most Alabama fans. I read a lot of college football books and have read several, specifically The Last Coach, about Alabama
Posted on 4/16/20 at 12:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
You are not very smart and have no clue how to accurately make predictions based off of statistics.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 12:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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#3 Regardless of #1 or #2, OP is not about one coach, it's about the fact that no elite coach at this level has ever kept their standard of winning going beyond the age of 70.
All you are doing is speculating, some coaches retired due to health, some retired due to family, some retired due to an incident on the field. Do people decline, sure, but not always as fast as people think.
For example- Jack LaLanne
1974 (age 60) – For the second time, he swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman's Wharf. Again, he was handcuffed, but this time he was also shackled and towed a 1,000 lb (450 kg; 71 st) boat, according to his obituary in Los Angeles Times in 2011 and his website. However, according to an account of this event published the day after it occurred in the Los Angeles Times, written by Philip Hager, a Times staff writer, LaLanne was neither handcuffed nor shackled if each of those terms has the conventional meaning of "tightly binding the wrists or ankles together with a pair of metal fasteners". Hager says that LaLanne "had his hands and feet bound with cords that allowed minimal freedom". But "minimal" clearly did not mean "no" freedom, since elsewhere in the article Hager describes LaLanne's method of propulsion through the water as "half-breast-stroke, half-dog paddle" which is how you swim with your hands tied.
1975 (age 61) – Repeating his performance of 21 years earlier, he again swam the entire length of the Golden Gate Bridge, underwater and handcuffed, but this time he was shackled and towed a 1,000 lb (450 kg; 71 st) boat.
1976 (age 62) – To commemorate the "Spirit of '76", United States Bicentennial, he swam one mile (1.6 km) in Long Beach Harbor. He was handcuffed and shackled, and he towed 13 boats (representing the 13 original colonies) containing 76 people.
1979 (age 65) – towed 65 boats in Lake Ashinoko, near Tokyo, Japan. He was handcuffed and shackled, and the boats were filled with 6,500 lb (2,950 kg; 460 st) of Louisiana Pacific wood pulp.
1980 (age 66) – towed 10 boats in North Miami, Florida. The boats carried 77 people, and he towed them for over one mile (1.6 km) in less than one hour.
1984 (age 70) – handcuffed, shackled, and fighting strong winds and currents, he towed 70 rowboats, one with several guests, from the Queen's Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to the Queen Mary, 1 mile
Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:04 am to mls4bama
yep Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:40 pm to TideFaninFl
It’s true though
Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:08 pm to Poker Dough
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If anyone can break the trend it's Saban
I’ve always been a Saban fan, ever since LSU hired him. He’s one of the most remarkable coaches of all time. But his six natties can’t be compared to earlier coaches. If he had the same seasons as they did, when they did, he would have three at the most. He benefited by having a playoff. Even so, he is one of, if not the, greatest of all time.
In fact, the SEC has benefitted tremendously from the playoffs. Under the old system the SEC would have at least three fewer national championships in the 2000’s. Two of LSU’s and two of Bama’s (at least). And three of those four were Saban’s. LSU would almost certainly have one more in 2011, but net negative one.
I believe either Saban has declined or others have simply caught him. Once Saban had his first championship caliber team at Bama nobody beat them convincingly until he got manhandled the last two years by Clemson and LSU. To me, the domination of Saban in those two games is what augers the end.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:18 pm to 3down10
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If not for the extreme amount of defensive injuries last year we win a national championship. Even with those injuries, Alabama was still close to pulling off the victory against LSU.
33-13 at half and you never had the ball in the fourth quarter with a chance to tie or take the lead. And this was after a fluke bomb for a TD when our corner was looking at the sideline. Sorry man, y’all were handily whipped, and if we played that game again you lose by 20.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:21 pm to Penrod
Was it really a fluke when Smith had been burning Stingley all game?
Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:23 pm to Crimsontide1713
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Was it really a fluke when Smith had been burning Stingley all game?
All game?
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