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re: History shows Nick Saban's time as an elite coach is almost (if not already) over
Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:23 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:23 pm to RollTide1987
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you did put a lot of time and effort into this but essentially all you have proven is that the vast majority of coaches start to think about retirement in their 60s.
He never claimed to prove anything. He just pointed out the trend, and said Saban might buck it but probably not. None of that is proof, nor was it represented to be.
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:24 pm to Crimsontide1713
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when Smith had been burning Stingley all game?
Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:42 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I could definitely see a scenario in which you have a 4-5 year period of 3-5 losses per year, followed by a mini resurgence
No. If Saban has a mediocre five years Bama would fire him. He would be 75 coming off five mediocre years.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:23 pm to RollTide1987
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And finally...no argument with Vince Dooley though I feel like if it wasn't for 1980-83, he wouldn't have made it to 1984 as the Georgia head coach. He got lucky toward the tail end of his career. He had been trending downward before the arrival of Herschel Walker.
I realize this is a Nick Saban thread. But yall's use of Vince Dooley as an example of this is not accurate. Vince was consistently good for most of his career. Lots of 7-4, 8-3 type years with a few great and a few disappointing years thrown in. He was never the consistent world beaters that Paterno, Bowden or Bear etc were.
80,81,82 were 'lightning in a bottle' years where he had UGA at the top of college football. We all know how that happened. 83 was an echo year where uga was very good. 84-88 he went back to what he always was: 8-3,7-4 etc. He probably could have kept that up for 10 more years.
However he would have never sniffed another conference title because Spurrier would have run circles around him. Goff may have been an overall failure as Dooley's replacement, but he did allow the notion of a forward pass at uga. Zeier was his QB for 4 years and he set SEC passing records. Dooley would have never made that concession. Spurrier would have beaten him just as bad or worse than he beat Goff.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:28 pm to miledawg
He won 200 games so he made the list 
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:31 pm to TT9
quote:Saban is?
You bring an opinion, that's all.
he has many years left to coach at such a unique program.
the fans and alumni need to support him every step of the way.
go elephants.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 5:46 am to Draconian Sanctions
History shows us that you're a fricking idiot.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 7:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
Here some good news for Bama: Alabama got the 611th rated high school player to commit yesterday to their football team, so there’s that...
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 7:09 am
Posted on 4/18/20 at 7:15 am to TT9
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You bring an opinion, that's all.
Not really, he states facts on these other coaches. Now that doesn't mean Saban will follow that trend. I see no reason why Saban doesn't continue to keep Bama in the elite class, say in the top 4 consistently. One thing that is amazing in that he has been able to maintain this level with his style. Most of these other coaches had CEO mentalities in their older years. They basically just managed from above. This has never been and I suspect never will be Saban's style. This is one reason why he burns through assistants so much. This fact alone just further spotlights what a incredible coach he is.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:42 am to YouAre8Up
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History shows us that you're a fricking idiot.
Mad as hell, love it
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:47 am to Penrod
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got manhandled the last two years by Clemson and LSU
Uh, a five point win is not being manhandled.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:26 pm to TideFaninFl
quote:dumbest fanbase on here.
a five point win is not being manhandled.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:33 pm to miledawg
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Goff may have been an overall failure as Dooley's replacement, but he did allow the notion of a forward pass at uga. Zeier was his QB for 4 years and he set SEC passing records. Dooley would have never made that concession.
In Dooley’s defense, he didn’t have Steve Gunslinger Ensminger as a PGC/QB coach like Goff did during the Zeier years.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:47 pm to TT9
Y’all sing a song about beating the hell out someone even after 1 point wins so not sure you have any room to talk.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:56 pm to Sun God
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10-2
9-2
8-4 (how is that close lol)
His lifestyle v. Saban are fair points I guess
Overall you seemed to have helped DS’s argument
Alabama was undefeated and the top-ranked team in the land coming into the month of November 1980. Mississippi State caught Alabama on an off day and were good enough to capitalize. We fumbled the ball multiple times that day, with the last one coming in the final minute of the game with us looking ready to punch it into the end zone.
In 1981, Alabama entered the post-season ranked #3 with a 9-1-1 record. #2 Georgia lost that same day in the Sugar Bowl and Clemson was playing Nebraska that night in the Orange Bowl. If Alabama had managed to defeat Texas in the Cotton Bowl, and Nebraska pulled off the upset in the Orange Bowl, Alabama are your national champions for the 1981 season. Texas upset Alabama by the score of 14-12 and Clemson ended up winning over Nebraska to make everything moot. But Alabama was in a position to win the national championship at the end of the '81 season under Bryant.
In the '82 season, Alabama came into the Third Saturday in October undefeated and ranked #2 after trouncing eventual national champions Penn State by the score of 42-21 the week before. Tennessee upset us in Neyland by the score of 35-28 and it was all downhill after that. By the end of the '82 season, Bryant's health was failing him, he recognized this, and decided to resign. Within a month of his final game as a coach in the Liberty Bowl he was dead of a heart attack.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:59 pm to RollTide1987
Lots of if’s and almost’s
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Lots of if’s and almost’s
The point is....your research, while admirable, is based heavily on raw numbers you got from Wikipedia. You did little actual digging into the circumstances and simply extrapolated what Wikipedia told you.
If you had actually done some digging, at least into Bryant, you would have discovered that his downfall did not begin in 1980 but in 1982 - his last year. Because his teams were still in contention to win it all late into 1980 and 1981.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:03 pm to RollTide1987
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You did little actual digging into the circumstances
Everybody has different circumstances. The point is not to look at any one coach but the trend over all of them. For one reason or another, they all hit a wall around the age of 70. That’s just a fact. That doesn’t necessarily mean Saban will too, but he would be venturing into uncharted territory.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 6:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Check your numbers on Uncle Woodrow at Bucknut U, he punched the Clemson player in the 1978 Gator Bowl against Clemson.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 6:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I wonder if Coach Sabah will turn into a fedora wearing fruit like Bear Bryans did?
I have a feeling he will!
He’s always seemed a bit iffy. And I hear he likes to dress up in makeup/women’s clothing.
Don’t shoot the messenger!
I have a feeling he will!
He’s always seemed a bit iffy. And I hear he likes to dress up in makeup/women’s clothing.
Don’t shoot the messenger!
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