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re: Here is the unredacted NOA

Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:24 pm to
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17461 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:24 pm to
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Nutt's attorneys can subpoena them and business records would be my first guess


Why would he do that? Nutt especially doesn't want to frick with Dunlap.
Posted by Whereisomaha
Member since Feb 2010
17939 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:24 pm to
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how is that relevant? If a ruling is made in mid-August, they're not just going to wait until late September to sign the Order.

What order? The hearing isn't the ruling. The ruling comes down in late October which is past the time the attorney needs his name clean
Posted by SouthOfHere
Pascagoula, Ms
Member since Feb 2013
1921 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:54 pm to
quote:

I understand what you are saying here but it depends on how valuable of hunting land it is I guess. If it's some random cow pasture in Rankin county, big deal. If it's land at or near Tara Hunting Camp, big difference because membership at that camp is big bucks (pun intended).




No it depends on the fact that these players didn't just happenstance on this booster. It requires effort from a coaching staff member or recruiter to offer this "benefit" to the player. Who obviously would show interest if they liked hunting. Then the staff member says "great! I'll hook you up!" The recruiter then puts the player in touch with the booster who gives free access to his land. Which everyone else who uses it, probably has to pay dues to hunt. And obviously, only star football players are allowed free access. No one else. Oh how trivial huh? But it's an orchestrated repeated benefit. It's not just a one time occurrence. Then, you put that with the hotel plan used repeatedly by players and families. The car loan setup. Everybody's got to put a little something in the kitty. People keep trying to pick each violation out like it's a singular issue. Saying "c'mon! That's not that bad!" It's an accumulation. An obvious network. It's cheating on an elevated scale that everyone was in on.
Posted by jatebe
Queen of Links
Member since Oct 2008
18284 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 6:17 pm to
And don't leave out free food and money handshakes at Funky's Pizza & Daiquiri Bar.
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7636 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 6:21 pm to
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Nutt's attorneys can subpoena them and business records would be my first guess


Not sure what relevance booster actions would have to Nutt's claim, other than as listed in the NOA. His claim is against Ole Miss, the IHL, and the Foundation, not against the boosters. The listing of violations under Freeze and details as charged in the NOA and how the contents of the NOA were represented to the public and press is what matters. Nutt doesn't have to prove the truth of the charges in the NOA, only that Ole Miss disparaged him in its portrayal of Nutt as the person responsible for the bulk of the charges. Subpoenaing records from boosters would be unlikely to produce relevant evidence. And as the boosters are not parties, I'm not even sure he could subpoena their records. I doubt a court would allow such a fishing expedition.
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 6:32 pm to
quote:

that these players didn't just happenstance on this booster. It requires effort from a coaching staff member or recruiter to offer this "benefit" to the player. Who obviously would show interest if they liked hunting. Then the staff member says "great! I'll hook you up!" The recruiter then puts the player in touch with the booster who gives free access to his land. Which everyone else who uses it, probably has to pay dues to hunt. And obviously, only star football players are allowed free access. No one else. Oh how trivial huh? But it's an orchestrated repeated benefit. It's not just a one time occurrence. Then, you put that with the hotel plan used repeatedly by players and families. The car loan setup. Everybody's got to put a little something in the kitty. People keep trying to pick each violation out like it's a singular issue. Saying "c'mon! That's not that bad!" It's an accumulation. An obvious network. It's cheating on an elevated scale that everyone was in on.


You missed the point of the post.

I was pointing out that I can understand why someone would feel "it's no big deal" if the hunting land in question was some random cow pasture in the middle of nowhere that the kid was allowed to hunt because he had never been hunting and wanted to try it.

I was also pointing out that I understand how it can be seen as a big deal especially if said hunting grounds was at a lucrative hunting camp or in a prime hunting location.

I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be a violation, just pointing out that there is a difference between the two scenarios.

For instance, I personally would not care if scenario one was allowed and it happened at all schools. No one is going to choose a school based solely on the fact that he has been given permission to hunt some random cow pasture/woods area in a random area. It's not exactly a prime selling point.

However, I could see a kid choosing a school because one of the benefits is he is given access to hunt at a lucrative camp or lucrative hunting grounds. That would be a selling point.

I understand why the NCAA doesn't allow either scenario though as regulating the different versions would be impossible.
Posted by jlbasm
Aledo, TX
Member since Oct 2010
3521 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 7:39 pm to
This shite cracks me up... ole miss posters deflect deflect deflect... three decades of living with you pretentious assholes was so worth seeing you guys melt. Makes my day seeing you stuck up pricks squaller in your excuses
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
17818 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 7:44 pm to
Ole Miss fans; I feel bad because I live among you but you guys are missing the error in your ways

every school has sketchy boosters and 100 dollar handshakes and loaner cars but when it gets found out you nip it in the bud, take your medicine and live to fight another day. Ole Miss,s arrogance got in the way. You guys tried to scratch and lie and cover up to protect lilly white wonderbread CHF and now you will reap what you sew.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8177 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 7:47 pm to
Holy shite. Because Nutt would have to pay his lawyers to investigate all of those boosters. It's dubious because he has filed suit that Freeze and Ole Miss blamed stuff on him. It doesn't mean a judge will give him access to a bunch of private citizens business records. How would you justify that Matlock?
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11455 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:22 pm to
The tricky-tack violations also show (i think) that you pissed off the NCAA by thumbing your nose at them and denied and obstructed. They don't waste their time investigating shite like that unless they want every little pebble they can add to the avalanche. You pissed 'em off, Rebels, now you're going to pay the price.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:39 pm to
quote:

So what now? Are we supposed to tar and feather these folks now or something?



For me it is as simple as changing accounting firms which was done last week.
Posted by SouthOfHere
Pascagoula, Ms
Member since Feb 2013
1921 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:44 pm to
quote:

Here is the unredacted NOA by AshLSU
quote:
that these players didn't just happenstance on this booster. It requires effort from a coaching staff member or recruiter to offer this "benefit" to the player. Who obviously would show interest if they liked hunting. Then the staff member says "great! I'll hook you up!" The recruiter then puts the player in touch with the booster who gives free access to his land. Which everyone else who uses it, probably has to pay dues to hunt. And obviously, only star football players are allowed free access. No one else. Oh how trivial huh? But it's an orchestrated repeated benefit. It's not just a one time occurrence. Then, you put that with the hotel plan used repeatedly by players and families. The car loan setup. Everybody's got to put a little something in the kitty. People keep trying to pick each violation out like it's a singular issue. Saying "c'mon! That's not that bad!" It's an accumulation. An obvious network. It's cheating on an elevated scale that everyone was in on.


You missed the point of the post.

I was pointing out that I can understand why someone would feel "it's no big deal" if the hunting land in question was some random cow pasture in the middle of nowhere that the kid was allowed to hunt because he had never been hunting and wanted to try it.

I was also pointing out that I understand how it can be seen as a big deal especially if said hunting grounds was at a lucrative hunting camp or in a prime hunting location.

I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be a violation, just pointing out that there is a difference between the two scenarios.

For instance, I personally would not care if scenario one was allowed and it happened at all schools. No one is going to choose a school based solely on the fact that he has been given permission to hunt some random cow pasture/woods area in a random area. It's not exactly a prime selling point.

However, I could see a kid choosing a school because one of the benefits is he is given access to hunt at a lucrative camp or lucrative hunting grounds. That would be a selling point.

I understand why the NCAA doesn't allow either scenario though as regulating the different versions would be impossible.






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Posted by TonyMontana
Member since Jul 2017
1169 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:12 pm to
The point isnt the hunting on the land. The point is showing a pattern of willfully breaking rules over the course of 3 sports, multiple administrations, multiple football staffs, how involved so many different boosters (14) were, how purposeful it was that said boosters were involved, and how many student athletes were involved (49). In other words, Lack of Institutional Control and Failure to monitor.
The NOAs never sound that bad, because all the NCAA includes is what they know they can prove. There are always more items that they are 99% sure happened, but they cant prove it so they leave them out. In this case, there are 21 allegations, each with multiple infractions, for a total of damn near 100 infractions THAT THEY CAN PROVE. So the "aw shucks, that aint so bad" aint gonna fly here. And this is all before they tie the hookers to recruits.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:17 pm
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10400 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:25 pm to
And just think... this is just the stuff they were able to find out about. The tip of the proverbial iceberg, most likely. But enough to set OM back for years.

Not saying stuff like this doesn't go on at other schools, there's too much money involved and too much pressure to win. Even at Bama, and I'm sure some shite goes on at Arkansas too, but the smart places don't have coaches involved. It just 'happens'.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
16207 posts
Posted on 7/29/17 at 7:39 am to
quote:

Ok, read it. At first I was thinking, "Oh, this is just nitpicking. $50 meal. $85 Hotel room. $35 ride. This is stupid." Then I saw the repeated mention of Kiffin and Farrar and thought - these dudes are dumbasses." Then I saw the thousands of dollars flowing from John Doe 12 and 14. And I was like - "BURN IT DOWN!"


Burn it down? Did you say the same thing in Memphis with Albert Means?
Posted by Pinche Cabron
TN
Member since Nov 2015
3639 posts
Posted on 7/29/17 at 8:16 am to
Actually I said, Burn Auburn down
Posted by SECFan1995
Member since Sep 2015
7880 posts
Posted on 7/29/17 at 11:00 am to
Browsing it...it starts off pretty innocently but gets bad later. Not finished though.
Posted by MSBULLDOG
Member since Feb 2017
402 posts
Posted on 7/29/17 at 11:05 am to
Quote:
"So what now? Are we supposed to tar and feather these folks now or something?"

I don't know, maybe you thank them for ruining your football program for years to come. How about costing your Athletic Department 8+ million dollars and climbing with additional fines, legal fees, loss of ticket sales, etc.
And let's not forget making your university the laughing stock of the sports world. You might want to remember that you will be reminded of this for years to come, every time UM gets mentioned on TV, Radio and in print, it will be mentioned how bad yall Fricked up.
This post was edited on 7/29/17 at 12:39 pm
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