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re: Head Coaches not known for X and O's
Posted on 7/31/09 at 9:27 pm to BamaJD88
Posted on 7/31/09 at 9:27 pm to BamaJD88
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I think that is why he was successful for so long.
Really? lol I think he was so succesful for so long because Alabama had the best teams money could buy while he was their coach. Hell sans scholarship limits they had guys on the scout team that could have been All AMericans elsewhere.
Let UM operate under the same guidelines at UF and the man would win 50 straight MNC.
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Posted on 7/31/09 at 9:58 pm to LSU GrandDad
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the Bear was the best the SEC ever had, but i really don't think he was an X's and O's guy.
No doubt he was a motivator.
His X's and O's are underated though. The gap (A, B, C, D gap) is widely attributed to him. While he didn't invent the wishbone, his passing game out of the 'bone was the best around.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 10:37 pm to bcshog
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Les is under rated even by LSU's own fans. He's solid.
I agree and think Les gets a bad rep as not being an X's and O's coach which is not really the case. He was the Offensive Coordinator at Okie St. before becoming the head coach and he was also the TE's coach and Asst. Passing Coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys for three playoff seasons. Most people think since he played on the Offensive Line in college he doesn't know the X's and O's of football but that is not the case. He has coached every position on the offensive side of the ball either as a postition coach or a offensive coordinatior since beginning his coaching career in 1980 and you don't do that without being an X's and O's coach.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 10:42 pm to XbengalTiger
quote:If he could just get that T.O. part down.
I agree and think Les gets a bad rep as not being an X's and O's coach which is not really the case.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 10:59 pm to XbengalTiger
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XbengalTiger
you are the first person i have seen point this out. jolly good show. i think Les is a great coach, no matter how much of an X and O guy he is.
Posted on 7/31/09 at 11:35 pm to LSU GrandDad
Though he is no longer a head coach...Phillip Fulmer was NO X's and O's man.
Bear Bryant was great..I remember reading about in 1979 when Bama was getting beat 17-0 by UT and were 5-0 and the defending National champions...Bear came in and told the team. "We aren't going to do anything crazy and throw the ball all over the field and take chances, we are gonna go what we do best...RUN THE FOOTBALL...Bama came back and won 27-17. My father's best friend lived in Birmingham during the 60's and he said "The highlight of his Sunday was watching the "Bear Bryant Show"..He said Bear made "Poor Mouthing" an art form..Great, Great coach..
Bear Bryant was great..I remember reading about in 1979 when Bama was getting beat 17-0 by UT and were 5-0 and the defending National champions...Bear came in and told the team. "We aren't going to do anything crazy and throw the ball all over the field and take chances, we are gonna go what we do best...RUN THE FOOTBALL...Bama came back and won 27-17. My father's best friend lived in Birmingham during the 60's and he said "The highlight of his Sunday was watching the "Bear Bryant Show"..He said Bear made "Poor Mouthing" an art form..Great, Great coach..
Posted on 8/1/09 at 3:34 am to XbengalTiger
I think Les is an ok X&O coach. May not be known for it but much better than given credit for. The biggest question mark is the whole Malleveto thing. He whiffed on that.
I think Nutt gets an A grade on X's and O's. His biggest struggles seemed to be consistency in recruiting and managing the season from start to finish.
I think Nutt gets an A grade on X's and O's. His biggest struggles seemed to be consistency in recruiting and managing the season from start to finish.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 4:09 am to LSU GrandDad
Brooks @ UK!!!
Posted on 8/1/09 at 4:20 am to LSU GrandDad
And Petrino, give him time.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 6:59 am to LSU GrandDad
Mack Brown was the offensive coordinator for LSU in 1982. He was great.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 9:11 am to The Savant
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And Petrino, give him time.
What do you mean? Give him time to be earn the right to be called a good coach, or give him time to prove he isn't good at X and O's? Because the latter will never happen.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 9:49 am to Hog on the Hill
Les Miles not being a good X & O's coach is a myth. Just because he hires great coordinators (that actually like coaching for him) does not make him an poor X & O's coach.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 11:16 am to LSU GrandDad
I'll go with Saban. He is probably the best recruiter in the country and a very good motivator, but I don't think he is any better on gameday than Bobby Johnson or Jim Grobe.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 12:20 pm to Hog on the Hill
FWIW, Petrino is the best offensive mind in the SEC.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 12:24 pm to deaux68
Meyer>Petrino>>Richt>Nut>Spurrier(At this point in hi career)
When it comes to offensive minds.
When it comes to offensive minds.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 12:39 pm to LSUtigahs28
THIS
Posted on 8/1/09 at 3:30 pm to msukb79
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Meyer>Petrino>>Richt>Nut>Spurrier(At this point in hi career)
lmao. Including Nutt in a list of offensive minds =
Smoke draw, smoke draw, smoke draw, pass isn't the product of a great mind.
This post was edited on 8/1/09 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 8/1/09 at 3:33 pm to Hog on the Hill
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lmao. Including Nutt in a list of offensive minds =
Smoke draw, smoke draw, smoke draw, pass isn't the product of a great mind.
He can make more of shitty talent on O than any other coach in the SEC.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 5:40 pm to LSUtigahs28
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He can make more of shitty talent on O than any other coach in the SEC.
Yeah, like going 4-4 in the SEC with the best backfield in NCAA history. More with less.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 5:55 pm to Hog on the Hill
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He can make more of shitty talent on O than any other coach in the SEC.
I am not in that group that thinks Nutt is a shitty coach, he simply isn't no matter what some delusional Hog fans think. But to include him in any list of offensive geniuses is just hilarious. His offenses are about as basic as offensive packages can be. Sure he throws in a few trick plays, but usually either at the wrong time or they are executed wrong because the players aren't used to running anything but plain vanilla. He has NO ability to create, look at the Wildcat that yes he gets some credit for being the first HC to put it on the field , but he over uses it to death. 2006 is a case in point, by the time we faced LSU they had so much video of that formation that there was NO WAY they weren't ready for it.
Another fact that shows that he is not an offensive genius is his half time adjustments, which is to say none. The guy can't adjust to what the opposing defense is doing. He just keeps doing the same thing over and over.
He's a good coach, he recruits pretty good, not bad not great and he coaches good. If he could do EITHER thing better he would be an upper tier SEC coach, I get hammered on Hog sites for saying such , but it's true, if he can recruit 10% better at OM than he did at UA, he will have some success down there.
But offensive genius he is no. His best plan is to let Austin continue to run the offense.
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