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re: Have You Ever Seen A Less Respected Champion Than Auburn?
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:37 pm to m2pro
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:37 pm to m2pro
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but i haven't invested ANY emotion in auburn's championship getting revoked.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh surely not.
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i realize that there may be 5-10% of you auburn fans out there that truly deserve to experience a championship
So how do you qualify this? Is it:
1. The few Auburn fans that you imagine do not frequent ITAT or TD?
2. Hot Auburn women?
3. Those AU fans that go along to get along and take your groundless, vitriolic accusations with a smile and a "you're probably right"? (not actually Auburn fans).
let me tell you something...ANY Auburn fan that has had to put up with the insults and the hubris of Alabama fans for decades deserve this championship. Ever last one of them.
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Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:38 pm to thatguyrightthere
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Agreed. Midnite, you in da club and I believe you.
Hahahaha...
+1
Still... IWHI
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:39 pm to superman
quote:Well BCS and AP champs. Sounds like decent respect to me....
No. In fact, after the 2007 LSU championship, I thought to myself that there would be no way that any school who won a championship would receive less respect than LSU did that year.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:43 pm to XbengalTiger
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As much as it pains me to say this: you're correct. I seriously hope that none of it turns out to be true. If we did pay for him, and the NCAA can prove it...then we deserve sanctions. Even if that means vacating every game this season
I agree with this. Said since day one that if we paid him, it will be proven and we will get what's coming to us. But there's no proof of anything as of now, so I'm not going to admit to something that there's no proof of. Feeling good about it.
14-0 baby! Kiss the ring!
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:46 pm to DocBugbear
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As there are a few people that are actually discussing this rationally...
I think part of the problem is that a lot of people feel that Cecil requesting money was sufficient for Cam to have some eligibility issues and that the 15 minutes between when Cam was declared ineligible by Auburn and when he was reinstated was an insufficient penalty. I think if Cam had been forced to sit out a game people would be a lot more accepting of Auburn's accomplishment. I'm not sure if this would have cost Auburn their title shot or not.
I don't know about an increased penalty...the rules as they aren't, were not broken (or proven to be). Even most Auburn fans agree that the loophole should have never existed though. The problem is the scope of the solution. For instance, if a rogue uncle, acting on his own, misrepresents his role in the recruiting process and asks for money. Kid didn't know but someone in his family had his hand out...you declare him ineligible and make the team vacate wins?? You CAN'T do that...so what standard should be used? You can't just say "parent, guardian or agent" because a parent may be a criminal willing to go behind the back of their child to make a buck also. It's a tough problem for the NCAA.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:53 pm to m2pro
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like OUR rhetoric here on td.com is gonna have ANY effect on the outcome of the case.
better watch out man.....you will have the ATPB posters come after you with pitchforks and torches
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:54 pm to AlaTiger
Didn't read the thread, but the fact that it's ten pages indicates to me that people care.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:10 pm to tkane311
I didn't say anything about vacating (or forfeiting wins), and this is really more about public perception rather than how the rules were written. Most of the public feels that Cecil asking for money warrants some punishment. If Auburn had suspended him for one game (say UGA), then I suspect that this would have made a dramatic difference in public opinion. Most would have felt you did wrong but paid the price for it. As it is the 15 minute turnaround in reinstating him gives the impression of collusion.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:11 pm to FTBLFN
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The 2-loss LSU team who lost to a bad Kentucky team AND a mediocre Arkansas...
But dominated the BCSCG and were clearly the consensus pick as the best team in America and picked to be top ten the next season prior to RP getting the boot. Not even close to the same. Auburn just has that one and done feeling which is what the OP was getting at I think.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:12 pm to Ross
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Didn't read the thread, but the fact that it's ten pages indicates to me that people care.
Ross, there's a big difference between interest and respect...
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:30 pm to Bench McElroy
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2003 LSU
There's an ESPN retrospective about 2003 LSU up on Youtube. From the very beginning, ESPN Sportscenter asks if a shared title is only half as good. They also mention how bad the BCS is and what needs to be done to fix the thing. There's not a single mention of LSU or their accomplishments. After they run the highlights of the game, Fowler speaks about LSU's performance for about ten seconds before talking about USC being left out of the national championship game and how they got screwed. I would have been furious if I was a LSU fan watching Sportscenter that night.
You nailed it.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:32 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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'07 LSU was a fricking joke. At least this team won it all on the field and didn't have to rely on a ridiculous amount of teams to lose, just to back into the game. And to think Less just got another 7 years out of that lucky horseshoe.
Nah, I'll tell you what a frick in joke is....all you Auburn "all in" jokes. This past year was Auburn's first legit win against LSU since 2002. Another joke is rushing for 400 AT HOME and escaping by 7 points. Make sure you get your picture at Walmart soon with "yalls" trophy. It won't be yours for long. Bottom line even though LSU had 2 loses in 2007 there wasn't a damn team in the nation more deserving than LSU. I'd rather dumbasses be jealous of LSU's title in 07' and talk shite about the two loses than have to pay a player to achieve success like Auburn. The joke is on you.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:34 pm to DocBugbear
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Most of the public feels that Cecil asking for money warrants some punishment. If Auburn had suspended him for one game (say UGA), then I suspect that this would have made a dramatic difference in public opinion.
I am going to disagree...if it was one game, everyone would have wanted the season...if it was the season, everyone would have wanted season plus vacating wins up to that point, if Auburn did that, it would be probation. But now that Auburn went on to win the championship, what would have been an afterthought, is front and center.
fast forward: 5 years pass and Cam is still not ruled inelligible and no evidence is found showing that AU paid. Do we get respect then? Does ESPN do a "flashback" poll seeing how people feel about it now?
I don't think so...I think a lot of people would feel like AU still got away with murder or otherwise isn't deserving of respect...so we are damned either way...it really is unfortunate and I think it is borne mostly from the fact that most of the college football world isn't comfortable with non-perennial powerhouses winning. If TCU had done it, we all would have been downplaying their win because of the schedule. If Oregon had done it we all would have had conspiracy theories about how Phil Knight bought it, paid for seizure-causing color combinations, were full of thugs, etc.. It just so happens that in this case, there was a lot of cannon fodder with Cam and Fairly being..um..aggressive.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:36 pm to AUnite
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It's just odd to be criticized for being rational
Welcome to the SEC Rant.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:38 pm to spslayto
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LSU's 2007 team was not that respected due to the 2 losses. But I don't care because we are the only ones flying a 2007 National Championship Flag. I'm sure Auburn fans feel the same--as long as the NCAA doesn't rule that Cam was ineligible and the BCS doesn't take it away, who cares if other fanbases don't respect it. I know I wouldn't.
Yep all the rest can eat donkey dik
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:39 pm to LafourcheTiger
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Nah, I'll tell you what a frick in joke is....all you Auburn "all in" jokes. This past year was Auburn's first legit win against LSU since 2002. Another joke is rushing for 400 AT HOME and escaping by 7 points. Make sure you get your picture at Walmart soon with "yalls" trophy. It won't be yours for long. Bottom line even though LSU had 2 loses in 2007 there wasn't a damn team in the nation more deserving than LSU. I'd rather dumbasses be jealous of LSU's title in 07' and talk shite about the two loses than have to pay a player to achieve success like Auburn. The joke is on you.
I may be mistaken, but I don't believe you can talk shite about a team running 400 yards on your arse, no matter the location.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:39 pm to tkane311
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tkane311
Do you feel that the investigation is over?
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:40 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Do you feel that the investigation is over?
Name the last time the NCAA commented on an ongoing investigation.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:44 pm to AlaTiger
Am I wrong here? No, I am very surprised, but it does seem that its come and gone. Maybe with the loss of Newton and all the seniors and the perception that they will not be as good next year has dampened spirits. I remember Bama's last year and even UF's second national championship going on for several weeks as well as ours. 
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:46 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Do you feel that the investigation is over?
No...and it's entirely possible that what someone finds in the future (or have already found but hasn't been reported) will implicate Auburn or indicate that Cam was aware of what Cecil was doing. But that evidence has not come to light yet so all we have to go on is that Cecil tried to get money from MSU, didn't get it..and Cam ended up going to Auburn...everything else is just speculating including all of my musings. It is my opinion though that when this is all said and done, Auburn will not be giving back wins or be in any trouble whatsoever....this based on evidence we have and my homer-colored glasses perceiving the ancillary.
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