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re: Has your team ever started a true FR QB?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:12 am to auisssa
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:12 am to auisssa
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Auburn was undefeated in 1993 and recognized with an MNC.
By whom?
National Championship Foundation
Has been a selector for a long time now. There are others.
The point I was making is that, the Bama fan was making an appeal to authority argument. An Appeal to authority is an argument which has the following form,
A is an authority on a particular topic(the AP or coaches poll here)
A says something about that topic(FSU is the NC)
A is correct
It is a logical fallacy.
Fallacious examples of using the appeal include any appeal to authority used in the context of logical reasoning, and appealing to the position of an authority or authorities to dismiss evidence, as authorities can come to the wrong judgments through error, bias, dishonesty, or falling prey to groupthink. Thus, the appeal to authority is not a generally reliable argument for establishing facts. In this case, Auburn was undefeated in 1993 while FSU was not. Just because the AP or coaches poll said something about the season does not make it true.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 11:33 am
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Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:16 am to JesusQuintana
Mauk looked like the next great QB at one point. Dude just completely hit a wall though.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:20 am to JesusQuintana
John Bond in 1980. Beat Alabama in 80 for the first time since before he was born and beat LSU all 4 years he was at QB.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:26 am to TruBlu4AU
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Auburn was undefeated in 1993 and recognized with an MNC.
By whom?quote:
National Championship Foundation
Alabama was recognized by the National Championship Foundation in 1945, but Army won the AP. Bama does not count that year, but I think they should over 194l.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:40 am to TruBlu4AU
quote:
National Championship Foundation
Has been a selector for a long time now. There are others.
The point I was making is that, the Bama fan was making an appeal to authority argument. An Appeal to authority is an argument which has the following form,
A is an authority on a particular topic(the AP or coaches poll here)
A says something about that topic(FSU is the NC)
A is correct
It is a logical fallacy.
Fallacious examples of using the appeal include any appeal to authority used in the context of logical reasoning, and appealing to the position of an authority or authorities to dismiss evidence, as authorities can come to the wrong judgments through error, bias, dishonesty, or falling prey to groupthink. Thus, the appeal to authority is not a generally reliable argument for establishing facts. In this case, Auburn was undefeated in 1993 while FSU was not. Just because the AP or coaches poll said something about the season does not make it true.
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Alabama was recognized by the National Championship Foundation in 1945, but Army won the AP. Bama does not count that year, but I think they should over 194l.
So...basically, TruBlu, if you want to call 93 an MNC; then based on the above, we should call 1945 one for us as well. Thanks for #16!! ROLL TIDE!
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 11:42 am
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:50 am to Big Balls
I wonder what the over/under is on number of threads on tRant that devolve into arguments about the validity of MNCs?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:14 pm to FearlessFreep
Haha..too many. And I only lurk here every once in a while. I only add fuel to the fire because I think its funny how many people go so wrapped up in it.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:18 pm to JesusQuintana
I'm pretty sure Vince Sutton started several games as a true frosh at Bama. Got beat out by Shula.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:32 pm to TruBlu4AU
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error, bias, dishonesty, or falling prey to groupthink.
Exactly what happens to au fans when they start thinking au won a MNC in 1993.
Probation + no bowl game = NO MNC. Period.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:06 pm to Spread
UF started Wayne Peace a true frosh in 1980 after injury to Bob Hewko...we beat Ole Miss in his start.
Chris Leak started and struggled some as true frosh in 2003 I believe....it cost Ron Zook his job after Leak struggled as true soph...even though we won 8 games. Meyer struggled in 2005 trying to convert Leak from drop back to a spread qb and he finally gave that idea up...Leak wasnt fond of contact....but the following year we had a true frosh qb who LOVED contact...he wore # 15...maybe some of you know him?
It was perfect for UF...Leak was drop back passer and Timmy ran over folks on short yardage.
Chris Leak started and struggled some as true frosh in 2003 I believe....it cost Ron Zook his job after Leak struggled as true soph...even though we won 8 games. Meyer struggled in 2005 trying to convert Leak from drop back to a spread qb and he finally gave that idea up...Leak wasnt fond of contact....but the following year we had a true frosh qb who LOVED contact...he wore # 15...maybe some of you know him?
It was perfect for UF...Leak was drop back passer and Timmy ran over folks on short yardage.Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:09 pm to TruBlu4AU
Go back to ITAT.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:31 pm to JesusQuintana
Are you talking about ever or to start the season?
Kyle Allen started the last 5 games of the 2014 season as a true freshman and had a 3-2 record.
Reggie McNeal's only start as a true freshman was the Missouri game in 2002 and he didn't make it through the first quarter before getting injured.
Other than that, I can't remember that far back. Johnny Manziel was the first freshman of any kind to start the season opener for A&M since the 40's.
Kyle Allen started the last 5 games of the 2014 season as a true freshman and had a 3-2 record.
Reggie McNeal's only start as a true freshman was the Missouri game in 2002 and he didn't make it through the first quarter before getting injured.
Other than that, I can't remember that far back. Johnny Manziel was the first freshman of any kind to start the season opener for A&M since the 40's.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:37 pm to JesusQuintana
For South Carolina, Todd Ellis started for most of the season in 1986, and threw for 3,020 yds and 20 tds, completing 60.3% of his passes. But he also threw 22 ints and led the team to a 3-6-2 record. Ellis ended up owning pretty much all USC career passing records, although they are under assault these days by Spurrier QBs. His career INT record is probably forever safe, lol...
Steve Taneyhill was the next big QB of note to follow Ellis. As a freshman in 1992, he was the backup on a terrible USC team that lost it's first 5 games of the season with another QB at the helm. Taneyhill took over and went 5-1 the rest of the way, beating a ranked Miss St. and Tennessee team along the way. Taneyhill finished that season throwing for 1,272 yds 7 tds and 6 int. He had his best seasons during his final 2 seasons at USC (5,353 yds, 48 tds and 17 ints completing 65% of his passes, and finished pretty much 2nd to Ellis in most USC career passing stats....
Steve Taneyhill was the next big QB of note to follow Ellis. As a freshman in 1992, he was the backup on a terrible USC team that lost it's first 5 games of the season with another QB at the helm. Taneyhill took over and went 5-1 the rest of the way, beating a ranked Miss St. and Tennessee team along the way. Taneyhill finished that season throwing for 1,272 yds 7 tds and 6 int. He had his best seasons during his final 2 seasons at USC (5,353 yds, 48 tds and 17 ints completing 65% of his passes, and finished pretty much 2nd to Ellis in most USC career passing stats....
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:38 pm to JesusQuintana
In my era Jarrett Lee, and he led me to start drinking before games
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