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Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:15 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:15 am to WG_Dawg
Who knows when Auburn drug test players? Let me whenGeorgia kicks off the MVP of the BCS championship. This will never happen during the lifetime of any poster on this board because it would require Grorgia to actually make the BCS championship game
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:17 am to WG_Dawg
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I don't agree with this at all. How is nick marshall a "better guy" now than he was in Athens, simply because he didn't steal from his teammates again? I mean think about it, if you commit a crime (any crime...dui, theft, murder, etc) and get punished pretty severely for it, odds are you are going to be far, far less likely to do that again.
I think you're looking at it as me saying he was a shitbag at UGA and a saint at Auburn, and I'm not.
But there are people who I think are morally corrupt and not easily reformed, and there are immature kids in new environments who do dumb stuff and can become corrupted if they don't find a way to pull out of bad behavior.
Cam and Marshall both were involved in theft-ish behavior, got a fresh start, and really matured. Arguably that might have happened wherever they went, but I'm guessing when we sat down with these guys we were able to discern that they needed to be a part of a team again and restore some of what they lost. We set out expectations, which they almost entirely fulfilled, and often exceeded.
I don't think people are entitled to second chances, but sometimes they make a lot of sense and work for everyone. I can't guarantee either person will stay out of trouble, but I certainly think they left Auburn on a better trajectory than when they entered AU.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 10:19 am
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:23 am to Pettifogger
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I think you're looking at it as me saying he was a shitbag at UGA and a saint at Auburn, and I'm not.
I get that, I don't think that's what you're saying.
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there are immature kids in new environments who do dumb stuff and can become corrupted if they don't find a way to pull out of bad behavior.
If anything, this would prove that they were reformed BEFORE they came to auburn, not during. Take marshall. He's young and immature, ok...he gets to UGA, he fricks up, and is punished by getting kicked off the team and having to transfer away from his home state and friends. Him staying on the straight and narrow at AU is more an indication he learned from his past mistakes (ie, getting kicked out of UGA) than it is him getting some life coaching lessons at auburn.
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Cam and Marshall both were involved in theft-ish behavior, got a fresh start, and really matured.
Well, cam stole a laptop but otherwise didn't seem to have any other issues whatsoever. He made one mistake. Him not stealing any more computers while at AU doesn't really mean AU did anything. And marshall didn't really mature, seeing as how he was detained with weed in the car while at AU.
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We set out expectations, which they almost entirely fulfilled, and often exceeded.
Again, you can pin a major portion of this on their former schools. When they're 18 and go to a school (say UGA in this case) they probably think they're bulletproof. They mess up, and we kick them out of school, now their brain says "hey, my actions DO have consequences. Time to straighten up". So them getting a talking to at AU saying "hey, don't frick up again. Be good" and them being good doesn't really reflect much on auburn, IMO.
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I certainly think they left Auburn on a better trajectory than when they entered AU.
Well, when they enter AU having been kicked out of another school, then leave AU in good standing with a chance to play in the NFL...yeah it's not really difficult to make that statement.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:26 am to auburnphan23
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auburnphan23
I have a few questions for you.
-what do you do in your spare time when you aren't on this board?
-what do you do for a living?
-how old are you?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:31 am to auburnphan23
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Who knows when Auburn drug test players? Let me whenGeorgia kicks off the MVP of the BCS championship. This will never happen during the lifetime of any poster on this board because it would require Grorgia to actually make the BCS championship game
auburnpham- your flow chart was posted earlier. Literally two posts later and 3-4 times since you've posted verbatim per the script. Frick son, deviate a little....just a little.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:33 am to WG_Dawg
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Well, cam stole a laptop but otherwise didn't seem to have any other issues whatsoever. He made one mistake. Him not stealing any more computers while at AU doesn't really mean AU did anything. And marshall didn't really mature, seeing as how he was detained with weed in the car while at AU.
Well Cam probably didn't actually steal a laptop, but nonetheless. I'll give credit for half of the process, I do think getting kicked out/disciplined in Marshall's situation was what set him up to be welcomed at AU and grow into a leader here.
I don't put the weed thing in the same category as stealing, so I don't know how good of an argument that is. I think he obviously matured, as he was doing little to nothing good at UGA, got kicked out, came to Auburn and overcame some bumps to become both a good player and a solid leader who his coaches and players could depend on.
I think you'd have to be pretty biased not to think Cam and Marshall improved as people while at Auburn. If you don't want to give Auburn credit for it I can live with that, but it's pretty obvious that two dumb young kids grew up during their tenures here.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:33 am to Pettifogger
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Not from Cobb brah
ETA: Or Fulton. From South Fayette/PTC area originally.
That's more of a 3rd tier buttheart rejection area. Behind NF and Gwinnett.
Did you apply to UGA?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:37 am to Pettifogger
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I think you'd have to be pretty biased not to think Cam and Marshall improved as people while at Auburn
But what proof is there that they did improve as people WHILE AT auburn? The harsh discipline they received prior to getting to auburn is why they changed their ways. If Marshall had gone to say...NC State after getting kicked out of UGA and kept his nose clean, would it be that they are such great molders of men? Or is it just something about the auburn water that makes people reform?
I've had a DUI before, and I was punished severely. If I was kicked out of the state and had to move to carolina afterwards, and didn't get any more DUIs, it wouldn't be because carolina is so good at molding people. It'd be because I learned from my past mistake and quit getting DUIs. I don't really see any evidence that marshall and cam are better people simply BECAUSE they transferred to auburn.
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If you don't want to give Auburn credit for it I can live with that, but it's pretty obvious that two dumb young kids grew up during their tenures here.
I'll give auburn, and any school, credit where it's due. I just don't see any definitive evidence that those 2 are better people because of their time in auburn. Better when they left than when they left high school? Sure, of course. But I think that's far more to do with the fact that they received punishemtn and discipline along the way, before getting to auburn.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:41 am to Pettifogger
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I don't put the weed thing in the same category as stealing, so I don't know how good of an argument that is.
This is what kills me about UGA. Stealing is 1000x worse than smoking pot. We need to cease fire with the nazi pot BS IMO....but we won't.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:42 am to WorkinDawg
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We need to cease fire with the nazi pot BS IMO....but we won't.
Times they are a changing. At some point in my life weed will be recreationally legal in just about every state.
However, I can see a behind the times administration like UGA's still outlawing it for athletes.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 12:14 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:Not to get drawn into all this, but Cam and Nick both became pretty involved in the Auburn community (whether it was visiting local schools, seeing youth groups, food/clothing drives, etc) all of which was voluntary on their part. In my eyes, when someone in their situation voluntarily gives back to a community, it shows signs of improving their character.
But what proof is there that they did improve as people WHILE AT auburn?
insert community service joke
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