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re: Gator fans... Is the bloom off the rose on Mike White?
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:45 am to GatorBait24
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:45 am to GatorBait24
Grow into the job? Donovan proved himself early here at UF. Are we forgetting getting to the title game vs Michigan State? Donovan proved early on he was scary. White...hasn't.
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Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:45 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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he Gators were firmly the #1 or #2 team in the SEC. White screwed the pooch pretty quickly. The door has blown open for many other teams to take that spot and th
Because we let Billy grow on the job. What proven coach was willing to come here to a football first school following a legend? Billy made our program, not the other way around. Mike White is the one of the best coaches in LTU history he shared or won the conference 3 times there unfortunately the SunBelt is a one bid league. This is not a good post.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 10:42 am
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:47 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
Agreed on the risk of Foley's continuous want for young up and comers. I do feel comfortable if we let him go, Stricklin is going to go big. He did it at State with Howland. He did it here going after Chip Kelly then Mullen with high price tags. So doubt he will go up and comer for basketball. I wouldn't mind taking a shot at Beard over at Tech. Guy is damn good.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:56 am to GatorBait24
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I can’t think of a coach as young as him with as much upside, would you have fired Billy after year 5 in 04 when we lost to Manhattan in the 1st round? Where would our program be if we had been that reactionary and not let Billy grow into the job? Just a question?
Florida had not had much success prior to BD coming here. We had a grand total of 1 year (when we went to the Final 4) in our history where we ended up in the top 25 prior to BD. So, our basketball program had a history of sucking. Billy D had a LOT of rope back in the early days because we had no history of success. You cannot compare BD to MW because White came in to a program that now had a history of success.
How in the hell does the University of Florida hire a coach that is so young that he has "much upside"? Do you really believe that Florida should have hired a coach that has to "grow into the job"? Ludicrous. We needed a PROVEN coach with documented success at the highest level. Not another shark fricker.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:01 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
Agree. Florida is far to strong of a program to hire up and comers in major sports. We are one of the top athletic programs in the nation and a very strong basketball program. We need to act like it when we hire. We aren't like Tenn football, where success is more historic and no one cares now because it's been so long. We were an elite team not 4 years ago, and should have been considered one last year if not for bad coaching.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:03 am to GatorBait24
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Mike White is the one of the best coaches in LTU history
and I'm one of the best coaches in my kids peewee leagues. That doesn't mean I'm cut out to coach at the University of fricking Florida.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:12 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
I think White has gotten these guys to play hard, but without a post presence the half court slow it down game is terrible for us. We do a 3/4 court press all game every game and rarely get a run out bucket (I know he does it more to control the tempo). He is not very apt to change when something isn't working.
We need to open it up. We have tons of 3 point shooters and our personnel would dictate more of an Auburn style play. At least try it since this season is basically a throw away. We play good defense because we hustle all game long. When it comes to nut crunch time, we are not naturally that good on D and it shows by how easy good players can get to the rim on us.
We need to open it up. We have tons of 3 point shooters and our personnel would dictate more of an Auburn style play. At least try it since this season is basically a throw away. We play good defense because we hustle all game long. When it comes to nut crunch time, we are not naturally that good on D and it shows by how easy good players can get to the rim on us.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 10:13 am
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:14 am to Gatorbait2008
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Agreed on the risk of Foley's continuous want for young up and comers. I do feel comfortable if we let him go, Stricklin is going to go big. He did it at State with Howland. He did it here going after Chip Kelly then Mullen with high price tags. So doubt he will go up and comer for basketball. I wouldn't mind taking a shot at Beard over at Tech. Guy is damn good.
This isn’t like his football hires, White won over 100 games in 4 years at La Tech. The names that were being thrown around for the job back then were all up and comers. I remember how many were upset Shaka Snart wasn’t available, and look how he turned out.
It’s still too early to make the call on White. His recruiting has been really amped up the last couple of cycles. Not giving up on him after what looks to be one disappointing year.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:20 am to bgator85
Pretty sure Mac won at CSU. It's not one disappointing year. It's the absolute cluster freak of a great team last year. It's the failures in the tourney so far. It's watching him be out coached regularly.
White had also been a massive failure in the post season at Tech which was my concern with him, but I was okay with it because he had AAU ties.
Just saying. How long do you have to wait to see good coaching? Players develop well? When will he learn how to close out games? When will he play to players strengths? At this point I see more wrong than right with him. He is feeling like Muschamp right now. Good guy, but not good enough for UF. Just not doing his job well enough to stay long term. He gets one more year I believe. Make it or break it next year. If this nonsense and terrible coaching continues...no more excuses he has to go.
White had also been a massive failure in the post season at Tech which was my concern with him, but I was okay with it because he had AAU ties.
Just saying. How long do you have to wait to see good coaching? Players develop well? When will he learn how to close out games? When will he play to players strengths? At this point I see more wrong than right with him. He is feeling like Muschamp right now. Good guy, but not good enough for UF. Just not doing his job well enough to stay long term. He gets one more year I believe. Make it or break it next year. If this nonsense and terrible coaching continues...no more excuses he has to go.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 10:22 am
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:21 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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We needed a PROVEN coach with documented success at the highest level. Not another shark fricker.
Who would that have been? These guys don’t exactly move jobs to often, especially in basketball.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:22 am to bgator85
Plenty of people. If Miss STate can hire Ben Howland, and Tenn can get Barnes with their awful athletic department. UF can certainly hire a proven coach.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:23 am to Gatorbait2008
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How long do you have to wait to see good coaching?
What about the first year when he took a sub .500 team and won 20+ games? Or year 2 getting to the Elite 8? He had a successful first 3 years.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:25 am to Gatorbait2008
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If Miss STate can hire Ben Howland, and Tenn can get Barnes with their awful athletic department. UF can certainly hire a proven coach.
If UF hired a coach that was recently fired from another school people would riot.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 10:27 am
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:31 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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For as good as Foley was touted as an AD, he sure fricked up several times with bad hires in the most important sports.
I never bought the hype about Foley. He inherited Spurrier. Donovan and O’Sullivan were home runs. But it’s hard to look past Zook, Muschamp and McIlwain. I think Machen gets some credit for Meyer. UF should be a can’t fail job as AD. Plenty of resources, support, donors etc. I never understood why Foley didn’t upgrade football facilities when he could have funded it easily.
But I digress. The comments on White are interesting. It’s hard to follow a legend and succcess is not guaranteed but I thought he would get it done. I knew he has a good class coming in so maybe they’ll turn the corner.
I’ve attended some games at the O dome when the Gators were in their prime. My favorite memories were of the Dazzlers.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:33 am to bgator85
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Who would that have been? These guys don’t exactly move jobs to often, especially in basketball.
I have no idea. I'm not the AD but that is the job of the AD. My memory is sketchy but I think Foley initially said that he was going to have an extensive search and next thing I know, MW was the coach. I don't remember a long search and I don't remember Foley actually interviewing anyone of substance. Which he also didn't do with his football hires.
This program was at a precipice. The coaching job was one of the best openings in all of sports that year. You could have poached a current coach at a big name program, that's how much cache this program had gotten. But Foley took yet another gamble on a coach without big boy experience. I'd rather take a coach that failed as a coach in a major conference than some guy that won a lot of games at a mid major. That's just me.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:41 am to JohnnyU
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I never bought the hype about Foley. He inherited Spurrier. Donovan and O’Sullivan were home runs. But it’s hard to look past Zook, Muschamp and McIlwain. I think Machen gets some credit for Meyer. UF should be a can’t fail job as AD. Plenty of resources, support, donors etc. I never understood why Foley didn’t upgrade football facilities when he could have funded it easily.
I've pointed this out many times to Gator fans but they don't want to ever criticize the best AD in the history of ADs. UF was winning sports cups before Foley got here. UF is in a ridiculously great spot for sports. Any AD worth his salt should have great success at UF. A great AD would have taken UF to a much higher level. We should be a more national brand with all the success we've had but we're still very regional. I complained for years about our facilities but fans said Foley was just frugal. They didn't realize how it impacted recruiting. The program was also starting to get a bad image in the press. Kids getting in trouble, arrests, etc., year after year. Clean that shite up.
But, the bad hires in football really setup other programs while our program sucked for over a decade. We can never get those years of awful back. I don't give a shite that we can't get a competent woman's basketball coach but you cannot frick up the HC football position time after time after time.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:46 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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nd I'm one of the best coaches in my kids peewee leagues. That doesn't mean I'm cut out to coach at the University of fricking Florida.
Don’t move the goalpost you said he never accomplished anything at Tech I’m just pointing out that isn’t true. As far as Billy’s final against MSU, are you forgetting MW was one basket away from a final four 2 years ago? With players Billy couldn’t get over .500. This one season doesn’t define Mike White.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:49 am to bgator85
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’s still too early to make the call on White. His recruiting has been really amped up the last couple of cycles. Not giving up on him after what looks to be one disappointing year
You’re right but our fans somehow feel entitled in basketball because BD spoiled them. MW isn’t the best but we could do so much worse, and he’s not done getting better as a coach yet. Our fans expect SS to wave a magic wand and hire a big name. The head guy at Nevada would probably be the best guy to go after and he’s no more proven than MW, playing in that garbage conference.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:51 am to cajunbama
[img]Do you even watch football Cajundevry, or do you just sit in your trailer and think of lame trolls against LSU and lies about having attended Bama?[/img]
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:52 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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I've pointed this out many times to Gator fans but they don't want to ever criticize the best AD in the history of ADs. UF was winning sports cups before Foley got here. UF is in a ridiculously great spot for sports. Any AD worth his salt should have great success at UF. A great AD would have taken UF to a much higher level. We should be a more national brand with all the success we've had but we're still very regional. I complained for years about our facilities but fans said Foley was just frugal. They didn't realize how it impacted recruiting. The program was also starting to get a bad image in the press. Kids getting in trouble, arrests, etc., year after year. Clean that shite up.
This is hogwash, Foley brought Florida to levels never before reached in multiple sports. Are you even old enough to remember UF’s athletic department before Foley? What sports cup did we win?
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